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Brammo Empulse Discussion => Brammo Empulse => Topic started by: Gavin on April 09, 2012, 06:36:07 PM
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Dear Gavin,
We are proud to announce that we will be revealing the production version of the much anticipated Brammo Empulse on May 8th, 2012. The launch event will take place in Los Angeles and will be webcast live to all pre-order customers. Since the Empulse concept was first revealed, a vast amount of development and testing has taken place and we are confident that you will be delighted with the ground-breaking electric motorcycle we are about to reveal. On April 18th we will announce full specifications of this exciting milestone in the evolution of motorcycling, giving you every opportunity to become familiar with the Empulse before seeing it for the first time on May 8th.
Electric motorcycle racing is an integral part of our lives here at Brammo and our experience and championship record on the track has played a critical role in the evolution of the Empulse from concept to production. Professional racers have had a hand in the development of the Empulse and they will be sharing their Empulse riding experiences and impressions with you at the reveal on May 8th.
Follow this link and learn more about the Empulse and its roots in Brammo's racing heritage.
If you have questions about the Brammo Empulse simply email empulse@brammo.com for an answer.
The Brammo Team
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Dang....May 8th is my first and only grandchild's very 1st birthday...
I could fly to LA, have a pretty cool time and then return home where I would pretty much instantly lose my tackle and bits....or I can stay in ABQ and celebrate my granddaughters first birthday....
mmmm, tough one, but I think I better stay in town
Gavin
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What better gift for a 1 year old than a trip to go see a revolutionary emoto reveal? ;D
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Just showed up on FB, with a new video.
Edit: the link to the video is in the newsletter, I hate when emails come after checking them for the day :P
Things learned from video:
At 0:41, It is on the dyno (red), This makes me SMILE! Fast Shifts and love the sound!
At 1:13, new version with what looks to be room for 2 up on dyno (green).
At 1:27, New battery pack, BPM 15/90 (different than the Enertia+ BMP 44/70), 36 Li-Ion cells, able to heat and cool itself (according to the video) and "unparalleled energy density", MORE INFO!
Brammo Fast Forward (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNR4DQloO5o&feature=youtu.be#ws)
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What better gift for a 1 year old than a trip to go see a revolutionary emoto reveal? ;D
well she is a good little traveler...sleeps much better than I do...
here she is yesterday on an Easter Hike...
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/398986_431805086835753_100000187963345_1957367_335666387_n.jpg)
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If they released all that 2 days earlier like they promised, I would feel a little bit less of an a**... :-[
Anyway, maybe if it wasn't for the rant, they might have kept it under wraps until April 18th... Or so I will believe just to make me feel better ::)...
Solid dates, which I expect them to keep, specific info about the info they will release and a cool video to go with it... I think someone has been listening ;D
Apparently protomech was right the whole time, the battery pack was the "x" behind the delay.
Everything looks really good, I just wonder if the price will be within reach of those who signed up for the Empulse 6.0...
And the reveal will be just before my birthday! :D Maybe by next May I will be riding one.
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Great video. I just keep hitting replay.
Are we looking at something new at ~2:13? Or is my imagination just running all over the place?
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Well, the Empulse looks to be everything that we hoped and maybe even more. But, I sure will be interested in seeing what the price of the bike will be. There is a lot of technology and premium parts on that bike. I will not be surprised if the price of the 10.0 is very close to $20,000 - assuming that Brammo plans on selling them for a profit.
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Great video. I just keep hitting replay.
Are we looking at something new at ~2:13? Or is my imagination just running all over the place?
That looks to be the top down right side view of the "tank" with some artistic shadowing, could be wrong.
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Great video. I just keep hitting replay.
Are we looking at something new at ~2:13? Or is my imagination just running all over the place?
Looks like a different "tank" and seat set up than the "old" Empulse
We have our first shadowy teaser
Hopefully more to follow
Can I get a couple of those batteries in a Plus?
G
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Interesting that the Brammo bull is upside-down on the new "tank"
G
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New batteries...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7129/7062827581_60d7a31af8_c_d.jpg)
Nice, but I kinda miss the gold...
G
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New tank?
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7108/6916745370_32c0d5218b_c_d.jpg)
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Never mind...not an upside down bull...
That is looking straight down at the tank...
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Doh...like Sorian already said...gah, I am not bright...
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We are all dissecting the video and this is what we have been needing for a while!
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Proto....
BMP 44/70 Brammo Power battery in the Plus
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BMP 15/90 in the Empulse....
I figure you could give some insight...
Looks like 6 of the 15/90s in the Empulse..
G
Edit...actually the Plus comes with 2 of the 44/70...so 88 at 70...
The Empulse looks to have 8 of the 15/90...so 120 at 90....if 6, would be 90 at 90 (similar range to the Plus, but faster)
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, but I kinda miss the gold...
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Agreed. I thought that was a nice element that made sure it wasn't mistaken for a gasser
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Sweet video... from the teaser images it looks like we are getting much more than just a transmission and more power, it almost seems like its a new model entirely. The batteries appear to be in a staggered configuration now too. The frame sliders are a nice touch as well! Very cool, but certainly indicates a higher price tag... i hope its not near 20k like richard is suggesting, that would NOT go over well with my better half... Brammo will need to produce a lower capacity, less costly version to keep 6.0 and 8.0 pre order customers. 13k would be a nice slot to fill beyond the Enertia Plus, and I think most could make the stretch from 6.0 and 8.0 pricing for a more advanced Empulse. Another option would be to give us early pre-order customers a decent price cut;), that would greatly help conversion numbers from pre-order to real sales... Get your most enthusiastic supports on Brammos, and we will sell the rest for you!
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Wow. This is what we were all (or I was!) hoping for last week. It's a day late.. I move to forgive Brammo for delay : P
Combing through video.. wow, lots of neat things. Will update shortly.
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I am really hoping that it hasn't gotten more expensive also. Granted its an advanced machine with great appeal and the IET justifies some increase but since the prices were first suggested batteries have gotten cheaper and such niceties as frame sliders wouldn't justify several thousand dollars. For me a tag of 20,000 would effectively double the price given the state of rebates these days and would end my dreams of ownership. At 20K you have to consider that a top of the line CBR600RR is $8500 cheaper. My guess is that 20K will quarter their sales if not worse. Lets hope they can keep it below 15K.
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I saw a shifting Empulse on a dyno!!!
Can we beg Brammo to give us this as a separate video?!?!?
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I saw a shifting Empulse on a dyno!!!
Can we beg Brammo to give us this as a separate video?!?!?
I absolutely agree. I replayed this section at least a dozen times. :o
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Just saw the email :D
first things first...
YAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!
FINALLY!!!!!
Secondly, so when does production start?
and does this mean, I'll get it in august or even as late as september?
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Well all my bitchin' paid off! ;D
Thank you Brammo for giving us not only a taste, but a luvin spoonful. Great video!
I say we get 'em starting in in July.
Price is another question, but we're good at holding our collective breath!
- Bill
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Dumped some snapshots from the video on Google+ (https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103632203146469467629/albums/5729645085144908625).
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WAf8uUeyWy4/T4PJ2R80UMI/AAAAAAAABEg/AKRBc-biOSw/s1106/0-29+prototype+on+dyno.jpg)
0:29 Empulse prototype on dyno. You can see the Empulse concept battery modules and the Enertia top fairing. IET clutch is present and accounted for.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-EPm4TVWUBKQ/T4PJ3kB6mxI/AAAAAAAABE8/WH73njbp0ic/s1106/1-04+transmission+motor+coupling.jpg)
1:04, motor coupling to transmission. The transmission outer casing surrounds much of the motor, but it's still worth looking at how large the transmission is compared to the motor. IET should substantially improve performance over the direct-drive motor. How does it compare to a direct-drive motor sized as large as the Empulse motor + IET combination? Moot point for now.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O0P8e-kqAIY/T4PJ4MGwZzI/AAAAAAAABFQ/vPuaAuPLIGg/s1106/1-25+empulse+rr+pack+shot+1.jpg)
1:25 shot inside what is clearly the 2011 Empulse RR battery pack (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/brammo-empulse-rr-ttxgp-photo/). The pack is split into two modules, each module consists of six "slices", each slice is a set of 28 cells organized into a 4x7 block. 2 * 6 * 28 = 336 cells, at 3.7v 10 Ah each this gives us 12.4 kWh (http://www.ttxgp.com/teams.php?bike=10).
Assuming Brammo is using these same capacity cells for the Enertia Plus, then I was wrong about the basic cell. A 10 Ah cell means the BPM 44/70 module is actually a set of 7 cells in parallel and 12 sets of cells in series, 12s7p = 84 cells in the module. Two modules gives us 168 cells (24s7p = 24 series 7 parallel), which is indeed exactly half the number used in the Empulse RR race bike.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QKqCpjvUDLs/T4PJ4682vYI/AAAAAAAABFg/3pOEOt8_A-M/s1106/1-28+BPM+15-90.jpg)
1:28 BPM 15/90 module. Using the same naming convention as the BPM 44/70 module (http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=425.msg6629#msg6629), this makes this a 15 V 90 Ah module (1.33 kWh). 36 cells in a 4s9p configuration.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hjcKKAck2Lc/T4PJ46n471I/AAAAAAAABFc/44B9_ygiw40/s1106/2-11+side+shot+of+empulse.jpg)
2:11 Side shot of the modules arranged on the Empulse. Differing from the Empulse concept and like the Enertia Classic and the Enertia Plus, the Empulse modules are arranged on the upper and lower sides of a battery rack "spine". The modules are staggered, with six modules visible (four upper two lower).
Now the question is.. how many modules and what configurations will the bike ship with?
* 5 modules would give 74 V 90 Ah, 6.7 kWh.
* 6 modules would give 88.8 V 90 Ah, 8.0 kWh. Same voltage as the Enertia Plus, same pack capacity as the Zero ZF9.
* 7 modules would give 104 V 90 Ah, 9.3 kWh. Exactly 50% more capacity than Enertia Plus, and 3/4 capacity of Empulse RR. Same capacity as an earlier guess (http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=807.msg7581#msg7581), but I was wrong about the common cell capacity (10 Ah instead of 35 Ah).
* 8 modules would give 118 V 90 Ah, 10.7 kWh. Same capacity as an earlier guess (http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=1090.msg7349#msg7349), but different configuration.
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;D
Good News!!
Special treatment for pre-orderers too......somebody knows what they are doing!
I will now allow myself a little excitement and anticipation.
Will I have my bike in Europe by the end of the year? Who knows, but this sort of email keeps me hanging around, that's for sure.
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I noticed that the Empulse has a manual clutch lever in the usual position and the rider was using it when shifting between gears.
That won't fly with the old-time Harley and Indian riders, who prefer a "suicide" foot clutch and a hand-operated gear lever sticking up by the tank. ;D
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I noticed that the Empulse has a manual clutch lever in the usual position and the rider was using it when shifting between gears.
That won't fly with the old-time Harley and Indian riders, who prefer a "suicide" foot clutch and a hand-operated gear lever sticking up by the tank. ;D
Better yet, notice the guy running the empulse didn't let go the throttle at all. That looked to be WOT and shifting. ;D
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7230/6919413322_2e3f584eae_b.jpg)
placement and angle of new batteries vs old isn't really much different...both seem to attach to angled mid frame (like the Enertia)...Frame looks the same (except added slider)
But the body molding sure looks different...more flair...
Gavin
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mmmm, "Empulse on a Dyno, I know, I know it's serious..."
sung to the tune of Girlfriend in a Coma...not sure why that song popped into my head...
but I would love to see the dyno info on the Empulse...maybe shortly after the 8th?
Gavin
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Is this grab from the video the new Empulse or the old Empulse?
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Is this grab from the video the new Empulse or the old Empulse?
The only two images that appear to be the new Empulse are:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7129/7062827581_60d7a31af8_c.jpg)
close up of new battery packs...
and
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7108/6916745370_32c0d5218b_c.jpg)
top down view of "tank"...
Gavin
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I'm digging the new battery pack look.
While the gold was initially catchy, after a while, it struck me as too much Las Vegas lounge lizard colors. You know: the beer-belly dude in the black shirt with way too much gold jewelry! 8)
This is much cleaner/high tech looking. And it probably provides much better heat dissipation.
I can't wait to see the real deal. Oh, wait: we already HAVE waited! :)
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Yeah, the new battery cases look the business for sure... much more refined, and they appear have heat sink kinda thing going on too. I am interested to see how they apparently heat and cool themselves off.
It really looks like the Empulse to be revealed in may is going to be a very different bike than the prototype. Almost appears to be an all new model Empulse... which is interesting. They are probably aiming to make it look more upscale to match a more upscale price point... but lets hope Brammo didnt forget about the little guy when the price it.
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but lets hope Brammo didnt forget about the little guy when the price it.
I do think their goal is to sell a competitive motorcycle in the regular market. For that to be possible, they must have a < $15k option.
It would be even better if they could offer something near the Enertia+ price, even if the range becomes slightly less.
I love the idea of an "upgradable" Empulse. Buy a short range one now, have a the top shelf version in a couple of years!!!
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I agree that the bike HAS to be upgradeable from a battery point of view.
After testing electric cars on Top Gear UK James May said that 'all batteries are rubbish'. Apart from driving the personal portable electronic revolution plus countless other quality of life improvements, he was right.............. I do know what he means though. If you think of any rechargeable battery powered device you have the batteries are letting them down - iphone, laptop, radios, you name it, the batteries are the weak spot. My iphone is a wonderful device, but it keeps going for a fraction the time it did when I bought it. Batteries have a life and it's a relatively short one.
I will buy an Empulse, partly because it will eventually either be 'one of the first' or 'one of the few' - Hydrogen power development is moving fast. Whichever it is, first or few, the Empulse is a cool thing and also has the bonus of being able to transport me to and from work cheaply. Unless I am going to be very pleasantly surprised(hope I am), it will not be able to compete with high end ICE bikes and sports bike wise I'd be better off with a speed triple. BUT, it is something new and exciting and I'm hoping the ICE group won't have to wait long for me to catch up on a ride out.
However, technology moves fast and it would be nice if not necessary, to know that if new battery technology is developed I can upgrade and keep my 'one of the first' moving longer and faster. To my mind, it's the only way Brammo are going to be able to sell to the mass markets.
Regardless, it's exciting times for bike and ev fans - us!
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If you think of any rechargeable battery powered device you have the batteries are letting them down - iphone, laptop, radios, you name it, the batteries are the weak spot. My iphone is a wonderful device, but it keeps going for a fraction the time it did when I bought it. Batteries have a life and it's a relatively short one.
I don't think you can compare the life expectancy of a highly managed battery pack on an expensive vehicle with the slip in battery slabs in a cheap mobile phone. Even laptops do a better job of ensuring even wear than mobile phones, which do a better job than the toy that runs on rechargeable AA's. The warranties on these batteries (usually listed to 80% capacity) are quite long and they can do that because with a lot of cells in the loop they can make sure they charge and discharge them in healthy cycles and at mild rates. Tesla's top of the line Model S battery has an 8 year unlimited mile warranty, but that's an extreme example of an 85KWh pack in a $70K product.
These bikes have a much lower capacity and number of cells, but still plenty of redundancy leeway and premium base price to provide a significant level of capacity protection compared to a cell phone. Even the Enertia is rated for 2000 cycles to 80% and the Zero Motorcycle ZF-9 batteries seem to be rated for around 3000 cycles (hard to tell because they list a mileage figure).
However, technology moves fast and it would be nice if not necessary, to know that if new battery technology is developed I can upgrade and keep my 'one of the first' moving longer and faster. To my mind, it's the only way Brammo are going to be able to sell to the mass markets.
I think upgradability makes more sense for "adding capacity to a base model over time as you have more money to invest" than to protect against batteries wearing down. Also, when new technology is released you have to factor in that they may be packaging it into packs with different profiles than the 15/90 they will use on the Empulse and so how likely will they be able to, or invest the time and development to, make those batteries available on Empulses which are likely to be outdated in many other ways by the time the battery technology significantly shifts.
Also, by the time battery technology shifts that much there may be a lot of EVs on the road and we might start seeing custom shops spring up which offer to rebuild a variety of vehicular battery packs so that may be the eventual route for upgrading technology whether or not Brammo gets involved.
Regardless, it's exciting times for bike and ev fans - us!
Fully agree! ;)
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Yeah. I replaced my iphone 3GS battery after approximately 20 months of heavy use. Paid $15 ($3/Wh!) for the replacement.
Different applications, different batteries. The cell phone batteries must be as light as possible, and the devices likely have a design life of less than two years .. probably < 300 cycles. I know in my case I left the cell phone in the car (interior temps in the 140 degree range) for probably 12 months of weekdays (couldn't bring the phones into our job site until just recently).
Brammo rates their bike batteries at 1500 cycles, Zero rates their bike batteries at 3000 cycles (to 80% in both cases).
I plan on 100k miles on the Zero in 10 years. That's ~1500 cycles at the 65 miles per charge I'm getting. I'm not worried about the battery expiring from cycle life or storage temperatures, I expect it to receive most of its wear through calendar aging.
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In the case of Zero, the entire motorcycle is guaranteed for 2 years. My guess is that the 3000 cycle rating for the batteries is not a guarantee that extends beyond that 2 year period and there isn't anyone here that is going to come anywhere near 3000 charge cycles within 2 years. So we are all going on faith that the claims are correct. Frankly, I am not putting any more money on that claim than I already have. ;)
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Hi flar, guys
I suppose you are right that you can't really compare the two types of batteries but the point I was trying to make I stand by. Also, I know that some people on this forum have had 'iphone' style battery experiences with their EVs.
I recently bought a C200 Mercedes with 110000km on the clock, it was over ten years old. If there was any tangible hint of it's output being 20% less than it was when it was new I wouldn't have gone near it with a barge pole. The same thing was true of my Triumph motorbike when I bought it. It was 6 years old and no longer under guarantee but I didn't hesitate because I knew that if I needed parts if the engine stopped I could get them and probably have a coffee while I waited. Imagine looking at a second hand Empulse with a degraded battery?
'It's not supported any more and you can't get new batteries, but you can fashion some with a CNC machine and some very expensive metals, or there's a slightly dodgy gentleman who might be able to help you down that dark alley'...How many of us would honestly go for that sort of deal?
I know I sound negative, I'm not, but this is actually a major problem that could be averted if Brammo and other manufacturers would sell replacement batteries. OK, so there will be significant cost involved in producing and supporting an Empulse battery replacement but I'm willing to bet it will be shadowed by the lost sales if replacement batteries aren't planned.
Compare the situation above with buying your second hand Empulse at a 'bargain' price that could have a new battery fitted. No comparison. Timed or lifed components are nothing new, the aircraft industry have regulated and enforced lifetimed components to prevent fatigue failure for decades. Ask anybody who has considered buying an aeroplane and they will tell you that the engine(read battery) time before overhaul or replacement is one of the most important factors in the purchase.
This is a dissadvantage of battery powered vehicles that could and should be sorted out early on. Do it, Brammo!
I'll still be getting one regardless but I don't want to be looking for my strange genious in some dark alley in 6 years time!
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Hi flar, guys
I suppose you are right that you can't really compare the two types of batteries but the point I was trying to make I stand by. Also, I know that some people on this forum have had 'iphone' style battery experiences with their EVs.
I recently bought a C200 Mercedes with 110000km on the clock, it was over ten years old. If there was any tangible hint of it's output being 20% less than it was when it was new I wouldn't have gone near it with a barge pole. The same thing was true of my Triumph motorbike when I bought it. It was 6 years old and no longer under guarantee but I didn't hesitate because I knew that if I needed parts if the engine stopped I could get them and probably have a coffee while I waited. Imagine looking at a second hand Empulse with a degraded battery?
'It's not supported any more and you can't get new batteries, but you can fashion some with a CNC machine and some very expensive metals, or there's a slightly dodgy gentleman who might be able to help you down that dark alley'...How many of us would honestly go for that sort of deal?
I know I sound negative, I'm not, but this is actually a major problem that could be averted if Brammo and other manufacturers would sell replacement batteries. OK, so there will be significant cost involved in producing and supporting an Empulse battery replacement but I'm willing to bet it will be shadowed by the lost sales if replacement batteries aren't planned.
Compare the situation above with buying your second hand Empulse at a 'bargain' price that could have a new battery fitted. No comparison. Timed or lifed components are nothing new, the aircraft industry have regulated and enforced lifetimed components to prevent fatigue failure for decades. Ask anybody who has considered buying an aeroplane and they will tell you that the engine(read battery) time before overhaul or replacement is one of the most important factors in the purchase.
This is a dissadvantage of battery powered vehicles that could and should be sorted out early on. Do it, Brammo!
I'll still be getting one regardless but I don't want to be looking for my strange genious in some dark alley in 6 years time!
Now that Brammo is developing their own battery modules I think they will definitely benefit from selling them separately. It almost seems to me like they intend to sell their battery technology (Brammo Powerpack?) to other OEMs too. Even the original Enertia had off the shelf Valence batteries that you could buy elsewhere anyway. Zero sells replacement battery packs as well.
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The Brammo Battery Pack sounds like something that they would put into something like this:
(http://brammofan.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/20111020-img_4368.jpg?w=620&h=413)
I assume that when Polaris invested in Brammo, one of the benefits would be access to their technology, including the battery pack. The more vehicles the battery pack goes into, the better! It will make the pack cheaper, and encourage development and improvements.
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That's strange. Just got another email from Brammo. Shorter than the first one, with no additional information.
Anyone else?
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I got one too. Pretty much like the last one, only shorter. Same video link, too.
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That's strange. Just got another email from Brammo. Shorter than the first one, with no additional information.
Anyone else?
Yep...i got excited too. Thought they were going to give us a sneak peak! Does anyone know if the "free giveaway" empulse is still going to happen? I'm banking on getting a free one ;)
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I got one, too. I attributed it to the fact that I signed up as a Media person and am on the Pre-Order list. So I figured I got one as a press release and one as a customer.
But, maybe they're just making up for some of the silence?
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Got it too...
I think two things:
One...yes they are trying to maintain closer communication
Two...they want to remind people that there will be a webcast, but that the LA reveal is Media only.
Gavin
my only "concern" is that this email does not mention the specs reveal set for next week...but I am likely reading too much into that...
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The difference between the two are:
The title:
- Brammo Empulse April 2012
- March 2012 Empulse Announcement
The intro:
- We are proud to announce ...
- As you may have already heard, we are proud to announce ...
There is no mention of the April 18 specs in the later email. I.e. this sentence is absent:
"On April 18th we will announce full specifications of this exciting milestone in the evolution of motorcycling, giving you every opportunity to become familiar with the Empulse before seeing it for the first time on May 8th."
I hope they are still on for the April 18 specs. :o
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I think Mr. Rodgers is right. Since I am not in the wait list anymore, I didn't get the first email. I only got this second one with much less information.
It's just Brammo giving their pre-order customers a special treatment, which is a nice touch.
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Let's hope. If they don't release specs on the 18th, I'm changing the name of the forum to the "Pissed Off Brammo Owner's Forum." >:(
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I'm sure they will...
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Got one too - thought it was going to be the first request for money at first, got excited, but then thought they had my name twice. Obviously the preorderers are just on the 'special' and regular mailing list.....feels good! :)
Zero sells replacement battery packs as well
Is that a new thing? When I test rode the zero S a few months ago a big negative, and what was driving my last post I suppose, was that I asked the guys there if I'd be able to replace the battery after 10 years or so when it was likely to be degraded. They replied yes, but it will be so expensive you'd be better off buying a new bike. They had no program to sell replacement batteries to S customers.
Just an aside, the Zero guys at Alkmaar, the European base, were really great sales people. They came across as pleasant, genuine enthusiasts. Even though I had big reservations about the bike - flat spot, dissappointing acceleration, insufficient range, not licenced for 2up, total bike lifed at around 10years....I still very nearly bought the bike because I liked the guys who were selling it! I think they're independant and hoping they sell the Brammo bikes too. I know they're on the pre-order list. If you're out there guys, nothing wrong with your sales technique!
I have never been at a video cast before, how does it work?
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The Brammo Battery Pack sounds like something that they would put into something like this:
[snip]
I assume that when Polaris invested in Brammo, one of the benefits would be access to their technology, including the battery pack. The more vehicles the battery pack goes into, the better! It will make the pack cheaper, and encourage development and improvements.
That's what I was figuring when I heard the Polaris announcement. Compact work vehicles are now generically called "Cushmans", and Polaris would rather have people start calling them "Polarises" via Brammo's assets. The market for "Cushmans", forklifts, cherry-pickers, and short-range ATVs (plus golf carts) is far, far huger than the market for highway-capable 2-wheelers.
BTW, hello world!
Carlos