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General => Victory Empulse => Topic started by: Ultratoad on December 11, 2016, 07:08:43 PM
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I am really interested in the Victory Empulse TT. So far I can not find even one person who has purchased one! I would sure like to hear from any owners. Thank you....
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I have a Victory Empulse TT, and I had a 2014 Brammo Empulse R prior to that. They are practically the same bike with some minor differences such as the rear tire width as well as some of the internal connectors that impact which replacement part fits. Overall, most comments you read on this forum about the Empulse still apply to the Empulse TT.
Test ride one if you have not had the chance yet. I love the Empulse and the whole electric riding experience.
Did you have any specific questions?
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First of all.... I really appreciate you taking the time to write.... I have ridden the Empulse TT a couple of times and think it is a blast.... I am concerned with the operating range--your real world experience would be worth a lot.... AND I wonder whether Polaris will continue with the bike and it's support.... Any thoughts would be appreciated.... I guess they haven't sold many--you are the first owner I have found... You might chime in on the VOG (Victory Owners Group)--there have been a lot of questions, but no answers.... Thanks again....
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I recently became an owner of a 2016 Empulse TT as part of a $0 trade.
(After about 4 months in shop, Victory was out of options to fix my 2013 Empulse R. It was having a throttle pulse issue and replacing the VCU was the fix. The VCU was already replaced recently so they agreed to replace it under warranty. In the end there was some kind of a software issue and the dealer/ Polaris could not get it to run. So they offered to replace it with one of their gas bikes. As I am a electric vehicle advocate that wasn't going to work. In the end I got to take home the 2016 Victory Empulse TT that Lynnwood Motoplex had on there showroom floor! 90 miles on the odometer ;D)
I burned through the transmission break-in to get to sport mode and really begin to compare the bikes.
Coming from a 2013, there are a few differences that one wouldn't notice coming from a 2014 - different handle bars, new instrument gauge/cluster - all improvements.
The new stuff (according to me):
- new seat, reviewed by many as being much more comfortable. I think it is slightly more comfortable.
- different motor specs, about 8% less torque on paper. Tough to tell for sure but I feel like I miss that extra torque slightly. It is still very fast!! and lots of fun!!
- I believe that I read the transmission is the same across all generations of the Empulse but it feels refined. Maybe it is slight manufacturing improvements/adjustments. Maybe the clutch on this bike was set-up better than my previous bike. It definitely seems that there has been an adjustment to the regen which delays slightly after shifting leading to smoother operation.
- Slight battery capacity increase. I used to count on 70 miles from 100% to about 0% SOC. I think that 80 miles is a safe distance to count on for combination highway/city riding at a nice brisk pace, but babying it for that last 10%. Could this bike go farther... probably.... if you ride it like a scooter.
- The suspension felt smoother to me. No idea if it is new or not but it felt like it was to me. The suspension on my 2013 began to feel much smoother 5,000 or so miles in. The TT felt like that at 90 miles. (I was off the R for 4 months.
- 160 rear tire. It was said the change was to make the bike more nimble and it does just that.
- You can switch between Sport and Eco modes while rolling down the road 8)
I have always been a fan of the Empulse. I pre-ordered early, waited forever to finally take delivery and have been through the slow uptake of dealers and then the sale to Polaris. I still love the Empulse! It is a great looking bike, the components are premium, and the TT is an actual Victory bike so I assume repair work will be smooth even for several years into the future.
I believe they still have the $5,000 factory discount available on the TT and it is eligible for the 10% federal tax rebate through the end of the month. With that money off, it is a real competitor against the Zero SR and DSR especially when you consider that the TT comes with a "charge tank". but Zero does have more range, especially when optioned up.
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Nice write up.... I for one appreciate the information.... How does the mileage change when riding in hilly areas????
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Congrats, thats a solid deal. Kudos to your dealer for placing the customer first!
Quick (off topic) question. What camera did you use to take that excellent picture?
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Nice write up.... I for one appreciate the information.... How does the mileage change when riding in hilly areas????
Seattle has many hills but I don't often head east into them. I wouldn't expect hills to be too problematic as you have to come back down and then you can regen some of that energy.
Congrats, thats a solid deal. Kudos to your dealer for placing the customer first!
Thanks, I was excited! I spent lots of time speaking with both the dealership and Polaris customer support. All of the diagnostics occur at Polaris corporate by an EV tech who decides how to proceed with the repair and reevaluates when the fix fails. By the end of the multiple months of attempted fixes the dealership and I were growing frustrated. The final decision to trade for the bike came from Polaris corporate whom I assume covered all of the costs.
Quick (off topic) question. What camera did you use to take that excellent picture?
I took the pic with my Nikon D5000 (entry level DSLR) with a Nikkor 50mm prime lens (fixed focal length) and did some manipulations in Photoshop. The old warehouse in the background is in Seattle's SODO neighborhood which is nice and quite on the weekends, unless there is a professional sporting event.
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I agree with everything +progress- wrote except I used to get 80 miles out of my Empulse R and still get about 80 out of the Empulse TT. There are some nice canyon rides where I live and hills don't seem to have to much impact provided I am not using the friction brakes much. What the uphill taketh, the downhill giveth. Increased air resistance from speed has the most noticeable impact on range and cooler days give a bit less as well.
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You guys have been very, very helpful.... Much thanks....
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Well.... I took the plunge.... Bought an Empulse TT from Spirit Motorcycles in San Jose today.... They made me a deal that I couldn't refuse.... I just want to play with one of these things....
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Congrats! Post a photo when you get a chance.
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Congratulations, enjoy your new ride!
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Pictures or it didn't happen!
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I agree.... Very soon....
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Ultratoad,
Welcome to the club! I live in San Jose and i have been having an Empulse TT for the past 3 months (1500+ miles on it so far).
I have written up a post on the range i've been getting here:
http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6150.0 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6150.0)
I go to Spirit Motorcycles for servicing etc but i got the bike from Ohio (American Heritage Motorsports just before they closed down). Its been a great commuter and i've taken the bike to Mt.Hamilton and Santa Cruz.
Mt.Hamilton was a blast!! Started at 100% and was back at 45% for a total of about 45-50 miles. I was nowhere close to babying the throttle. Was in sport mode all the time with heavy throttle usage. Didnt charge anywhere on the ride. Through the corners, the 160 rear tire really has so much grip! Quite easy to lean the bike through corners too.
Mods:
1.MRA RNB windshield (Greatly helps with range and protection).
2. I just got the emotorwerks fender eliminator which i'm going to try.
3. Got a HID kit to be installed yet.
Have taken it out in the rain and late night colds so far with no issues.
The only thing i noticed so far is that the DC charge rate is always at 2.5kW (i think its a claimed 3kW). I've never seen it charge at the max rate.
Its a fantastic bike! Hope Victory continues to support it and brings on more.
I'll share some pics soon.
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Some really valuable information there.... Your Mt. Hamilton run on 55% is quite impressive.... Thanks for the additional forum info, I was unaware.... I live in South San Jose, my hope is that I can make it to Alice's and back on a single charge.... I plan on working up to it.... I need to develop some confidence in this battery thing....
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I've heard a lot about Alice's but never been there. Apparently the charger there was removed? I read this on one of the forums. I live in South San Jose too.
Rides on CA-1 would be good and i've heard a lot about Calaveras Rd too, but never been on that road much. Good thing bay area has so many L2 chargers!
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I've heard a lot about Alice's but never been there. Apparently the charger there was removed? I read this on one of the forums. I live in South San Jose too.
Rides on CA-1 would be good and i've heard a lot about Calaveras Rd too, but never been on that road much. Good thing bay area has so many L2 chargers!
Alice's has a 240V outlet on the wall of their gas station and a couple of 120V outlets accessible from outside of their facilities. Up until this summer they allowed charging of electric motorcycles for their customers. That was until a couple of Zero riders plugged into their L2 outlet and blew up the restaurant's old electrical system, shutting down the gas stations pumps and impacting the restaurant, too. Now all of their outlets have signs on them saying "no EV charging allowed". :(
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You have to go to Alice's Restaurant !!!! During the summer months on Saturday of Sunday there will be as many as 100 motorcycles there at any given time. Everything from choppers to sport bikes. It's major fun just talking with folks, kicking tires and listening to the lies !!!!
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You have to go to Alice's Restaurant !!!! During the summer months on Saturday of Sunday there will be as many as 100 motorcycles there at any given time. Everything from choppers to sport bikes. It's major fun just talking with folks, kicking tires and listening to the lies !!!!
Things have changed a lot at Alice's this year, at least on Sunday mornings when I go there with a couple of friends for breakfast. Now the parking lot is filled up with cars and a lot of families are having breakfast. If you ride a motorcycle you have to wedge your bike among the cars and trucks that arrive around 8am. Just a few motorcycle riders show up now, at least during the morning. One reason may be that the lot across the street, where many motorcycles used to park has been taken over by the adjacent event center, with "no parking" signs posted all around the now vacant lot. It used to be that hundreds of motorcycle riders would descend upon Sky Londa, but no more. The auto drivers now outnumber bikers and parking has become a challenge at times. :(
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Thats a big bummer. Have any of you tried riding to Yosemite? I know it will be a long day riding, Maybe it can be done over 3 days (including spending one day at the park).
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Thats a big bummer. Have any of you tried riding to Yosemite? I know it will be a long day riding, Maybe it can be done over 3 days (including spending one day at the park).
I would recommend against riding to Yosemite, unless to prove it can be done. A hitch carrier and harbor freight trailer will set you back $500 give or take. Trailer it there, find some loops around charging stations, have a blast! That's what I did last year trailering it to Smokey Mountains and had a blast.
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Finally getting a PIC up of the new Empulse TT.... In it's original condition, prior to adding a small windscreen and sliders.... Very happy with it so far....
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That looks great!
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Maintenance Question: I usually put a motorcycle (absent a center stand) in a front wheel chock and lift the rear via a frame member (with appropriate m/c jack) to service and adjust the chain. I am seeing nothing under the rear of the Empulse TT that looks appropriate (strong enough) for a lifting point. How are you guys doing chain maintenance ????
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Maintenance Question: I usually put a motorcycle (absent a center stand) in a front wheel chock and lift the rear via a frame member (with appropriate m/c jack) to service and adjust the chain. I am seeing nothing under the rear of the Empulse TT that looks appropriate (strong enough) for a lifting point. How are you guys doing chain maintenance ????
Spools threaded into the swingarm 8 mm receptacles. I lift with (and like) a Pit Bull rear stand:
https://www.amazon.com/Pit-Bull-SS-Rear-Stand/dp/B0024OBU3G (https://www.amazon.com/Pit-Bull-SS-Rear-Stand/dp/B0024OBU3G)
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Sounds like a plan.... I hadn't even noticed the spool mounts on the swingarm.... The only thing that bothers me is that the manual says the swingarm should be static (unloaded) when adjusting the chain?
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Congrats. I live in Santa Cruz. I have 2014 Empulse R.
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Sounds like a plan.... I hadn't even noticed the spool mounts on the swingarm.... The only thing that bothers me is that the manual says the swingarm should be static (unloaded) when adjusting the chain?
I don't believe that a spool lift adds any load to the suspension. The bike is already supported by (and the suspension is between the main frame and) the rear sub-frame. But the sub-frame is normally connected to the ground through the rear wheel/tire. You are only changing the way that the sub-frame is connected to the ground, from the wheel to the jack. I believe that they mean "don't sit on the bike" or "don't suspend it by the main frame" when adjusting the chain.
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How much of an effort is it to fit in the competition werkes fender eliminator?
Do i have to cut wires and stuff? Anyone tried it on the TT?
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Sounds like a plan.... I hadn't even noticed the spool mounts on the swingarm.... The only thing that bothers me is that the manual says the swingarm should be static (unloaded) when adjusting the chain?
I don't believe that a spool lift adds any load to the suspension. The bike is already supported by (and the suspension is between the main frame and) the rear sub-frame. But the sub-frame is normally connected to the ground through the rear wheel/tire. You are only changing the way that the sub-frame is connected to the ground, from the wheel to the jack. I believe that they mean "don't sit on the bike" or "don't suspend it by the main frame" when adjusting the chain.
I'm going your way.... No way around it as far as I can see.... Can pull up on the rear to make sure it is totally unloaded before making a chain adjustment easily enough.... Totally appreciate your help.... Will be purchasing the Pit Bull (agreed, looks awesome) from Revzilla (free shipping) very soon.... thanks again....
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I've taken the beast out on a couple of spirited rides over the last several weeks.... The thing is totally quick and handles like a true sport bike !!!! The last was about 70 miles through the twisties and I came home on fumes (ahhh very little battery) !!!!
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I don't know what the Victory Owner's Manual says for the chain specs, but several of us have found that the Brammo spec was too tight.
I like the chain on all my bikes to be on the loose side to put less strain on the bearings. I go for what "looks right" which is about an inch of play in the chain on my Brammo Empulse. I've never thrown a chain and the original lasted about 15K miles. I now have a Tutoro chain oiler and have easily exceeded that figure at 36K miles with almost no adjustments past the break-in period.
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I don't know what the Victory Owner's Manual says for the chain specs, but several of us have found that the Brammo spec was too tight.
I like the chain on all my bikes to be on the loose side to put less strain on the bearings. I go for what "looks right" which is about an inch of play in the chain on my Brammo Empulse. I've never thrown a chain and the original lasted about 15K miles. I now have a Tutoro chain oiler and have easily exceeded that figure at 36K miles with almost no adjustments past the break-in period.
The Victory Empulse TT Manual says that the free play should not exceed 17mm (about 2/3 inch), checked with hand force only of about 1kg (2.2 pounds) up and down-- at lower chain, center between sprockets. They do not cite a minimum which seems odd.
Do you check yours resting on the side stand or in some other manner? I agree with your bearing concern....
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I check the chain tension with the bike on the rear stand so I can rotate the rear wheel and check at different places, since the sprocket is slightly out of perfectly concentric. I make sure the tightest spot is loose enough.
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I check the chain tension with the bike on the rear stand so I can rotate the rear wheel and check at different places, since the sprocket is slightly out of perfectly concentric. I make sure the tightest spot is loose enough.
5 Stars - makes sense and is practical - much thanks....
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Now that Victory will be no more :'(
Does anyone know how many TT's were built and sold. I imagine the number should be pretty low...?
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Now that Victory will be no more :'(
Does anyone know how many TT's were built and sold. I imagine the number should be pretty low...?
Polaris seems to be very guarded about disclosing the number of units of any product that they sell. From talking with dealers, I would agree that you are probably right on a low number of TT sales. Articles I have read suggest that Polaris has more in mind for the Brammo technology than motorcycles though. ATV's for farm use and such have been discussed very favorably. AND, it would not surprise me in the least if you saw a Polaris (Brammo) Indian badged electric bike on the starting grid at Pikes Peak next season. I think that Polaris and most would agree-- this electric thing is here to stay and just getting started.... I don't believe that Polaris is done with the Brammo tech by any stretch of the imagination--they paid a ton for it.... Hopefully, this will be good for us in the end....
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Here's an excerpt from one of the interviews with an executive at Polaris on Brammo patents and tech:
Meanwhile Polaris may yet rebrand the Victory Empulse line of electric motorcycles it acquired from Brammo. "All Brammo patents, technology, intellectual property and Polaris enhancements remain the property of Polaris," a spokesman confirmed to Carscoops, "and will be applied to other products and business units as appropriate."
So, as u said EV tech wont most likely die and i wouldnt be surprised with an Indian version sometime in the future. Maybe to start with, they may continue the pikes peak Empulse or the even the TTZero version!
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Maintenance Question: I usually put a motorcycle (absent a center stand) in a front wheel chock and lift the rear via a frame member (with appropriate m/c jack) to service and adjust the chain. I am seeing nothing under the rear of the Empulse TT that looks appropriate (strong enough) for a lifting point. How are you guys doing chain maintenance ????
Spools threaded into the swingarm 8 mm receptacles. I lift with (and like) a Pit Bull rear stand:
https://www.amazon.com/Pit-Bull-SS-Rear-Stand/dp/B0024OBU3G (https://www.amazon.com/Pit-Bull-SS-Rear-Stand/dp/B0024OBU3G)
I ordered 8mm spools and a Pit Bull Swing-Arm Stand (SS Model) as you suggested.... Absolutely awesome and does the job perfectly.... Much thanks....
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I carry a Dyna-Plug puncture kit and mini-compressor on my "stink bikes" for flat tire emergencies. The compressor simply hooks up to the 12V battery via a small two lead harness. Anyway of doing the same on an Empulse TT ????
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I recently bought a 2016 Empulse TT - Because at this discounted price, why not? :) I'm located north of Atlanta, but haven't found anyone else in Georgia with an EM...? If you're out there, give me a shout. <crickets> lol
I've read thru the comments here, but no one seems to know how many of these bikes were produced? I've looked everywhere online and haven't found a VIN over 200...?
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I'll be headed through your area next weekend for a track day at JenningsGP on Friday. Come down and join me!
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I'll be headed through your area next weekend for a track day at JenningsGP on Friday. Come down and join me!
Are you using your Brammo @ JenningsGP? Do they have a 240 plug for L2 EVSE?
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The never ending saga with Victory/Polaris !!!! I bought a 2016 Empulse TT in 2016, fully expecting to receive the Federal IRS EV tax credit (10%).... My tax agent and I (CA) have since discovered that Victory applied for the EV list with the Feds in January 2016, but never followed through !!!! I called Victory and Polaris today (spend several hours on the phone) and I am here to tell you-- neither has a speck of business sense about their products, or a clue about customer service !!!! They sold these things, telling those that would listen, about all the tax credits-- they lied !!!! I love the bike (Brammo did good, not Victory) and those smart enough at Victory to buy it.... But, the rest of this is Cr#p !!!! Anybody else have any clues ????
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The never ending saga with Victory/Polaris !!!! I bought a 2016 Empulse TT in 2016, fully expecting to receive the Federal IRS EV tax credit (10%).... My tax agent and I (CA) have since discovered that Victory applied for the EV list with the Feds in January 2016, but never followed through !!!! I called Victory and Polaris today (spend several hours on the phone) and I am here to tell you-- neither has a speck of business sense about their products, or a clue about customer service !!!! They sold these things, telling those that would listen, about all the tax credits-- they lied !!!! I love the bike (Brammo did good, not Victory) and those smart enough at Victory to buy it.... But, the rest of this is Cr#p !!!! Anybody else have any clues ????
That is exactly what happened with my first electric motorcycle, a 2008 Electric Motorsport GPR-S that I bought in 2009. The company never followed through with the paperwork, even though the bike met the IRS requirements for an electric vehicle credit. However, I applied for the credit anyway and when the IRS automated credit form wouldn't accept the bike, I filed my tax return via snail mail and used the EV conversion credit form on my tax return. That year I received the credit for my GPR-S on my income taxes without any complaints from the IRS. However you could argue that the bike was an EV conversion of a Tiger 250cc motorcycle, even if the chassis never actually had an IC engine in the frame. :)
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I was able to successfully file my federal tax for my Victory Empulse TT.
I used taxact and this is the form it made me fill with the Vehicle make and PIN:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i8936.pdf (https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i8936.pdf)
I had no issues!
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I bought #139 last week, got a pretty sweet deal $8500 OTD.
Will there be a federal tax credit for 2017? I noticed when I was doing my taxes on turbo tax and there it was asking if I had bought an EV in 2016. Will there be a federal tax credit for 2017? There is however still a $900 California Rebate still.
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I bought #139 last week, got a pretty sweet deal $8500 OTD.
Will there be a federal tax credit for 2017? I noticed when I was doing my taxes on turbo tax and there it was asking if I had bought an EV in 2016. Will there be a federal tax credit for 2017? There is however still a $900 California Rebate still.
First of all, congratulations! I see you live here in San Jose (just watched your videos on youtube). I live in San Jose too and we could certainly meetup and exchange notes ;)
On the Federal tax return, i am not sure if it would work for bikes purchased in 2017 would be eligible, its best to double check before you file it. CA rebate should certainly be available.
Welcome to the club!
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Congress will have to pass a renewal of the EV tax credits for 2017; Not too positive this will happen.
Putting my Empulse up for sale. Its currently on Ebay. I love the bike, but looking to get a husky 701.
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Thanks, I'll start a post there if I actually start to convince myself I really want to sell it =)
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2016 Victory Empulse TT Transmission Oil Change
Yes I am a NOB, but I can not find my answer anywhere. I checked my manual for the transmission oil drain, fill and level points (no problem). BUT, my bike has a hose that goes from the left side of the frame (very accessible) to the right side and enters near the clutch housing (near the filler plug on the back side of the clutch housing) and states "oil" on it's cap. Can I file the transmission from this port OR is it for an entirely different purpose? I hate to ask, but the manual kinda sucks (no mention of this hose) and there is not a lot of information available on the Empulse TT. I am electing to do most of the normal maintenance myself because I care and Victory obviously does not !!!! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated....
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I have a video of when I did my first oil change here and from what I read that yes the vent hose is an approved method of refilling the transmission according to Brammo.
https://youtu.be/Jx1bOfn9-xk
2016 Victory Empulse TT Transmission Oil Change
Yes I am a NOB, but I can not find my answer anywhere. I checked my manual for the transmission oil drain, fill and level points (no problem). BUT, my bike has a hose that goes from the left side of the frame (very accessible) to the right side and enters near the clutch housing (near the filler plug on the back side of the clutch housing) and states "oil" on it's cap. Can I file the transmission from this port OR is it for an entirely different purpose? I hate to ask, but the manual kinda sucks (no mention of this hose) and there is not a lot of information available on the Empulse TT. I am electing to do most of the normal maintenance myself because I care and Victory obviously does not !!!! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated....
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Nice video on the transmission oil change. A couple of things I would note. If you are going to fill through the vent hose, there is no reason to remove or loosen the fill plug. The transmission will vent though the existing vent when draining. In addition, unless you want to know what the level was (and you could only tell if it was overfilled) there is no need to remove the level plug. The amount of build up on the drain plug magnet is interesting. I have changed the oil a number of times to try and minimize the amount of crap going through the gears and bearings in the transmission. Each time I have been getting a little less crude so it looks like it is settling down. I think the total amount I have removed looks like what I see on your drain plug on your 600 mile change.
The transmission is supposed to take one liter of oil and if fully drained, there is no need to use the level plug to check on refill as the first couple of changes ended up with a slight overfill so I haven't bothered to check it after that.
As to the crush washer fit around the drain plug, if you look at the plug itself you will see that it was designed to be used with and "O" ring seal instead of a crush washer. That is why it is undercut and radiused near the bolt head. However, the transmission is spot faced for use of a crush washer and not counterbored for an "O"ring so the only thing that will work is a crush washer. Bad design.
Bottom line is if anybody watches your video and have not changed their transmission oil the crap on the drain plug and the fine metal in the oil itself should motivate any owner to change the oil. You are going to get no parts or service from Victory (Polaris) on these machines so a little TLC is required to keep them running.
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Thank you very much for the info.... I didn't think to check for a video.... Dahhhhh....
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I bought a 2016 #120 last Saturday for $8600 with 19 miles on it. Trying to get a spare key, but Polaris said sorry, as did 3 Victory dealerships.
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Congratulations.... You are in for some fun.... Someone on this site found key blanks and posted.... I'll let you have the joy of hunting for it !!!!
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Yeah I was watching again and thought that I didn't need to loosen the fill plug because of the transmission vent, its a habit I have when I change the oil on my other bikes or cars.
I can see what your talking about not removing the level plug you'd just need to crack it open a bit and if something comes out your good on the level.
Yes I'm hoping everytime I change the oil there will be less and less of that crud. I was surprised how much metal was in it, the oil which should be clear turned into a grey goo. Next oil change at 3000 miles :)
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After 13 oil changes, I still get swarf on the magnetic plug, though much less than the first few changes.
I always use the breather hose to fill and go by measurement rather than overflow to make sure the right amount of oil goes into the bike.
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Now that's some good information right there....
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From a Brammo service bulletin, most of that junk on the plug is clutch material.
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From a Brammo service bulletin, most of that junk on the plug is clutch material.
Glad you guys mention this, looked like a porcupine on steroids !!!! AND, the fluid was as filthy as suggested.... I don't quite understand, but I will be changing the fluid frequently. I'm using Amsoil 10w30 synthetic for transmission and wet clutch, good stuff, maybe it will help....
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I just put a $500 deposit on a Empulse TT (listed on cycle trader for $6.9k) Hopefully in a month or so (however long it takes to ship from AZ to MD) I will be proud owner of a new Victory. I must say though, I am starting to have second thoughts. My Brammo Empulse has been reliable for 6k miles. Do I really want to risk a new bike? I need to keep saving for my Model 3 next year.......
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I just put a $500 deposit on a Empulse TT (listed on cycle trader for $6.9k) Hopefully in a month or so (however long it takes to ship from AZ to MD) I will be proud owner of a new Victory. I must say though, I am starting to have second thoughts. My Brammo Empulse has been reliable for 6k miles. Do I really want to risk a new bike? I need to keep saving for my Model 3 next year.......
First of all, congratulations.... Second of all, I absolutely love mine and I would buy again.... AND I paid considerably more than you.... You will love the thing.... Super fun embarrassing stink bikes in the twisties....
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You mentioned your Empulse served you well for 6k miles. I crossed 10k last month and it feels like it is still going strong. Congratulations on your TT!
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Not bragging, but to offer some hope: My 2013 Brammo is at 41K miles and shows no degradation on range.
The only worrisome symptom is that the point on the SOC at which the gauge suddenly goes to "0% CHARGE NOW" has crept up from 10% to 30% and twice at 50%. I've learned to reset the trip meter and just go by that figure. So far I've not been stranded, but use the bike strictly as a commuter and local runabout.
Side note: I've recently retired so won't be racking up the daily commute miles... hoping it will hang in there to handle my local needs.
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Not bragging, but to offer some hope: My 2013 Brammo is at 41K miles and shows no degradation on range.
The only worrisome symptom is that the point on the SOC at which the gauge suddenly goes to "0% CHARGE NOW" has crept up from 10% to 30% and twice at 50%. I've learned to reset the trip meter and just go by that figure. So far I've not been stranded, but use the bike strictly as a commuter and local runabout.
Side note: I've recently retired so won't be racking up the daily commute miles... hoping it will hang in there to handle my local needs.
That is actually fantastic news.... I hope your girl goes for another 40K+.... May the Force be with you....
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Any major maintenance issues or how was the maintenance like? 40k is awesome, I got 33k on my Suzuki DR650 and I am constantly working on that bike but I use it as an adventure bike.
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Any major maintenance issues or how was the maintenance like? 40k is awesome, I got 33k on my Suzuki DR650 and I am constantly working on that bike but I use it as an adventure bike.
I think I had the No. 3 bike off the line. There was a water-entry issue into a battery case and Brammo picked up the bike in San Francisco, returned it to Oregon, redesigned the battery case, and returned it to me within 5 days with all new batteries.
There was a faulty seal in the transmission and they replaced the entire transmission.
Mine was the bike that had the rear license plate/tail light bracket fail. Brammo redesigned the bracket and sent me a replacement.
During 90F weather, with sun on the instrument cluster, the tach needle freezes. It goes away as soon as it cools down. I figure it's too tight a tolerance on a brass bearing. Doesn't really bother me.
Aside from chains/sprockets, tires, brake pads, that's it.
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Any major maintenance issues or how was the maintenance like? 40k is awesome, I got 33k on my Suzuki DR650 and I am constantly working on that bike but I use it as an adventure bike.
I think I had the No. 3 bike off the line. There was a water-entry issue into a battery case and Brammo picked up the bike in San Francisco, returned it to Oregon, redesigned the battery case, and returned it to me within 5 days with all new batteries.
There was a faulty seal in the transmission and they replaced the entire transmission.
Mine was the bike that had the rear license plate/tail light bracket fail. Brammo redesigned the bracket and sent me a replacement.
During 90F weather, with sun on the instrument cluster, the tach needle freezes. It goes away as soon as it cools down. I figure it's too tight a tolerance on a brass bearing. Doesn't really bother me.
Aside from chains/sprockets, tires, brake pads, that's it.
Did you ever get a clicking noise from the chain action? Ive had my enertia for 300 miles now and when I bought it it was silent. Now it makes a lot of noise from the chain and sprocket area. I'm going to have it looked at. The guy I bought it from had recently replaced the chain himself and I'm wondering if he overtightened it, or the alignment is off.
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I had a speed-varying ticking noise from the chain that went away when I replaced chain and sprockets. Old chain had 3 stiff links after 22K miles with a Tutoro oiler.
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I had a speed-varying ticking noise from the chain that went away when I replaced chain and sprockets. Old chain had 3 stiff links after 22K miles with a Tutoro oiler.
Thanks!
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Empulse TT meets Mini Cooper S
The other day I was riding my Empulse TT up Hwy 9 to the Saratoga Gap at Hwy 35. If you ride in Northern California, you know where I am talking about. Well, on the way up the hill in the twisties I caught a Mini S. The guy was moving along, so I decided to just hang and not pass. Mini guy decided he was going to book, rather than yield. No problem. I just hung onto his wake and was quite content. Ultimately, Mini guy made a driving error and decided to yield. At the top of the mountain I pulled into the Gap parking lot, parked and removed my helmet. Moments later Mini guy drove in and parked as well. He (youngster) approached me and started laughing! He said “I have never been past by an old guy (true) on a toaster before!” I had to laugh as well—do to his verbiage and accuracy of comment. We had a chat about driving in the hills and ultimately went our own ways. So, why am I writing this? The Empulse TT is a huge kick in the ass to ride in the hills and will stay with almost anything. I personally think that Polaris made a huge mistake dumping Victory and the Empulse TT. Oh, and as a direct result of my encounter—the Empulse TT now has an official name—she is affectionately referred to as “Toaster.”
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(Sending many Likes, smiles, and +1s your way for a great story)
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Great "toaster" story!
I live in a townhouse complex and when I first drove in with the Empulse R, my neighbor was in our shared driveway. He came over as I was pulling off my helmet and said, "Bill, what are ya drivin'? It sounds like a blender!"
"Blender?" I replied. "Geez, Mike, at least give me a food processor!".
Still liking my blender after 4 years.
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When I talk to people about my bike, I tell them it sounds like a blender on wheels.
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I've got one...John in Mpls, love it.
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Update on my experience with the TT.... Absolutely love it, don't know why Victory is so stupid !!!! They didn't even give it a chance, they just bailed.... Oh well (love the Victory ICE bike too).... I have just over 2K on mine, no problems, took it up Hwy 9 today (if you are not familiar, it's as good as it gets).... It's like being in a glider, no noise, no need to shift or brake, just being one with the throttle.... Lucky so far.... No gremlins, everything perfect, even cell balance !!!! I have had and continue to have several/many ICE bikes.... This thing is a blast.... No regrets thus far.... Electric is awesome.... Why I'm at it, have both the short and tall screens.... Highly recommend the Victory tall Screen.... Still looks sporty AND does a serious job with the wind.... Won't keep wind/bugs off your face shield, but will keep the pressure off of your chest and improve your mileage....
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Does the tall one quiet down the ride? I used to have the short one and it didn't do anything. I'm struggling with that I have the MRA V-Flow with the X-creen.
The Empulse is a blast on HWY9 :) I've had mine for a little more than a year and I haven't had any problems with mine but I only have 2700 miles on it. I did Metcalf and Mt. Hamilton the other weekend :) I'm planning to drag race it sometime this summer :)
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I can't honestly say whether the OEM tall screen quiets down the ride or not.... I always wear ear plugs which keep things very peaceful....
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I do not have a windscreen on my Empulse TT but like Ultratoad I do wear ear plugs. I originally started using ear plugs to cut back on wind noise on the highway (75ish mph) when my commute increased to about 30 miles round trip. I am using a product from a company called No Noise who offer many different types of ear plugs that are configured for different situations. I am using their Motorsport ear plugs which have been great! They cut back the decibels to a safe level (something about a ceramic filter) but still allow for sounds to reach your ears so you are not completely disconnected from your surroundings. It took a little while to get used to installing them in my ears correctly and putting my helmet on without dislodging the plugs but once I got the hang of them I almost never ride without them.
https://www.nonoise-earplugs.com/en/products/motorsport/ (https://www.nonoise-earplugs.com/en/products/motorsport/)
*Just over 7,000 miles on my Empulse TT and it has been issue free! Much nicer than than my Empulse R experience which had consistent error messages and 3 of the 7 battery modules replaced.
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I just got the wind screen off ebay for $40 and figured I'd try it out. It does quiet things just a bit and I notice I can hear the chain and transmission a bit more. But it really is a minor difference, even at high speed. IMHO no way would it be worth the $200 MSRP. But for $40 I'll keep it on for a while