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Brammo Enertia Discussion => Brammo Enertia Plus => Topic started by: Gavin on September 29, 2010, 12:05:34 PM
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Will we see this rumored Enertia 2.0, Enertia Plus, Enertia EX
A) Before the Empulse
B) After the Empulse
C) At the same time as the Empulse
D) What's an Enertia Plus?
Gavin
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My guess is this...
The changes will be fairly minimal. A bit more battery, a bit better battery management...maybe water cooling. And some new colors.
So it isn't a total reboot like the Empulse. Less testing and parts and such...
So Enertia 2.0 in Spring (April? Would love sooner, but can deal with April :) )
And Empulse 1.0 in Summer.
All just guesses.
Gavin
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If it uses the same battery tech as the Empulse, then probably around the same time. Maybe a little after to maximize the impact of the Empulse. (hm, impact => Empact?)
Also interesting to me: will Empulse and Enertia 2.0 feature assemblies manufactured by Flextronics, or will the initial release of the bikes be built by Brammo?
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I don't think the next Enertia is getting the Empulse pack...though I could be wrong.
It would be great if it did....The Enertia with a 6 or even 8 pack would be outstanding. 8 would be hard to fit....6 shouldn't be too hard if you widen the very narrow Enertia by a couple of inches.
But I see them doing a bit of a reboot of the Enertia pack...a bit more density, a bit better management, a bit bigger (3.1 to 4...maybe 5, but that would be hard to do without increasing bike width--though as I said, making the Enertia a inch or two wider in the pack area would be fine)...Then a couple of other small changes and boom, Enertia plus that goes farther and a bit faster (60 miles range, 70 or 75 mph top speed), but almost exactly the same bike. Still made in house for the next six month to a year.
Of course all guesses, and wild ones at that....and partially because I agree that if they use the same pack that the Enertia might come out later than the Empulse...and I would like it to come sooner :)
Gavin
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Alright, trying to figure out if I'm going mad, or someone's playing a game : )
We used to have a thread with speculation as to the next Enertia's name. Enertia 2.0, Enertia Plus, etc? That thread seems to be gone, or it only existed in my imagination.. can't find it.
Also, someone's blog had posted about the Brammo Enertia Plus straight from the horse's mouth: following a trip to Brammo HQ and what seemed like official confirmation directly from Brammo to them. That blog post is now.. gone : )
I rushed to the intertubes when I read that blog post, but saw noone else mentioning the new bike. So either they were outrageously fibbing, or they pulled the post possibly after realizing it was too early .. or as mentioned earlier, I'm going mad!
Edit: I'm not mad. My RSS reader cached the post. So there you go, third-hand confirmation that the Enertia Plus is on its way.. and perhaps sooner rather than later.. maybe it'll even be the last surprise revealed in September. Tick tock tick tock ..
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Dispatch two black helicopters to protomech's location. Stat.
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Dispatch two black helicopters to protomech's location. Stat.
Two lawn darts dispatched. We have the package. Over.
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So, to get back to the matter at hand... I'd like to know your thoughts about how an increase in range equates to value.
1. If the Enertia 2.0 (or whatever it's called) could go 60 miles on a charge, how much would you pay (assuming the current model's pricing - 42 miles for $7995)?
2. If the Enertia 2.0 could go 80 miles on a charge, how much would you pay?
and, what the heck... let's go for all the marbles...
3. If the Enertia 2.0 could go 100 miles on a charge, how much would you pay?
Let's discuss...
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If I did not alrerady own the 42 mile version and Brammo's pricing for the Empulse is ignored:
1) $8,995
2) $9,495
3) $9,995
I hit a price ceiling just shy of 10K.
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Keep in mind that a 6.0 kwh battery is likely to give double the range (or maybe a bit more or a bit less) of a 3.0 kwh battery. So if you're getting 40 miles on an enertia 1, you're looking at more like 80 on an enertia 6.0.
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I really suck at speculation and predicting Brammo's next move has proved difficult but im gonna throw in my 2 cents in anyway. So here is my crappy prediction:
Brammo will lower the price on the Enertia to 6995 and will offer a plus version for 7995 with a range of about 60 miles and a top speed somewhere around 75. That's my guess.
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Empulsebuyer, I would jump on that with both feet and whatever other feet I could find:)
60 miles and 75 mph for 8k would rock
For me is more than just range...I want 75 mph too
So....60 range and 75 top speed...7995 would be great, but likely 8495 or 8995.
80 range and 75 top speed...8995 would be great, but maybe 9495, but more likely 9995.
100 range and 75 top speed...don't think they can get enough batteries in the enertia for that without a huge over haul...but if they could it would priced be in Empulse 8.0 price area...
A lot depends on the pack... If they got Empulse 6 and 8 in the enertia, well mass battery buys will help costs, but the enertia would need major over hauls to rock those batteries.
If they can get increased speed and range from battery improvements while keeping the pack size at 4 and 5, well that will save money because there won't be an major upgrades to body and structure.
Gavin
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assuming the current model's pricing - 42 miles for $7995
Is anybody getting anywhere near that range?
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A lot depends on the pack... If they got Empulse 6 and 8 in the enertia, well mass battery buys will help costs, but the enertia would need major over hauls to rock those batteries.
If they can get increased speed and range from battery improvements while keeping the pack size at 4 and 5, well that will save money because there won't be an major upgrades to body and structure.
6 Valence U1-12XP packs in the Enertia weigh approximately 39kg, total capacity of 3.1kwh. Total volume is 28L.
Leyden Energy claims their lithium batteries (to be used in the Empulse) have 225 wh/kg specific energy, 400 wh/L energy density. A 6.0 kwh pack would then weigh 27 kg for the cells + whatever for packaging. When packaged, you're probably looking at around 30L.
The LE cells have some magical numbers attached to them.
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assuming the current model's pricing - 42 miles for $7995
Is anybody getting anywhere near that range?
I am getting "near" that range, and I tend to attribute the shortfall to my height (6'3") and weight (210 lbs.). The times when I've dared to take my bike close to 0% and have driven at average speeds at or below 35 mph, I have been able to get 33-37 miles in range.
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Is anybody getting anywhere near that range?
I have gone 35 miles with 7% battery charge left per the instrument cluster, so I think 42 miles is reasonable. I rarely go beyond 25 miles between charges and I typically ride too fast to get a 42 mile range.
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I dont think 60 miles is entirely unreasonable, well maybe at that price, I agree. Lets say they put a 4.0 battery in the Enertia plus. It manages 42 from 3.1 so 42 / 3.1 * 4 = 54.19. Perhaps some tweaks here and there and some Brammo Power magic would push that number to 60. Who knows! The Empulse 6.0 is at 9995 which is quite amazing and that's 2 more kWh of battery there too.
Perhaps at 7495 (original) and 8495 (plus) would be more reasonable. Margins are probably pretty small for Brammo though.
I would like to see a dual sport Enertia too...
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Is anybody getting anywhere near that range?
I have gone 35 miles with 7% battery charge left per the instrument cluster, so I think 42 miles is reasonable. I rarely go beyond 25 miles between charges and I typically ride too fast to get a 42 mile range.
Just wanted to take this opportunity to discuss range a bit more completely. After many thousands of miles of testing and reviewing data from multiple rides with the same rider, different rider, varying conditions, varying temperature, varying road surface, etc, etc... I can hopefully shed some light on what range figures mean when they're presented by a manufacturer.
The 42 mile Enertia range claim is based on actual dynamometer testing of the production bike on the EPA's LA4 (FTP75) drive cycle which is intended to represent urban driving. This testing was done as a part of a thorough product qualification initiated by Best Buy as they did not want to end up with customer complaints over range. FYI - This is the same drive cycle that Nissan uses to claim 100 miles range on their Leaf and a piece of the drive cycle used by Tesla to claim their 245 mile range as well (they combine it with a highway drive cycle). This is also the drive cycle that is roughly meant to be replicated by the Pomona Loop CARB test in California to qualify for the $1500 CARB rebate. True to the dyno results, the Enertia was able to travel the required 38 miles (two 19 mile loops) on a single charge without going into a "limp mode" and in fact still had greater than 20% battery capacity remaining at the end of the 2 loops.
The truth is that the LA4 drive cycle seems to be a rather poor representation of actual usage of vehicles these days as drivers are becoming more aggressive and speeds in general are increasing. So… while the range claim is true (as opposed to being the result of an optimistic marketing department), it obviously does not accurately predict everyday riding range by a variety of rider types and weights. The effects of even the same rider driving at varying average speeds (i.e. different driving cycles) can be as dramatic as a 2x decrease in riding range. Our attempt to better illustrate this for predictive purposes was originally shown with this graphic and we are working on ways to explain these issues even more concisely. Unfortunately, it is a complicated and variable metric that we (and other OEMs) are attempting to condense into a single figure for the benefit of easy digestion by the customer with varied success thus far…
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/wisdesign/Enertia_Production_Silhouette_Scape.jpg)
As a side note, Rob, our Zen and the Art of E Motorcycle Maintenance rider, has the record for range on a single charge. He was able to pull multiple stints of over 55 miles on his Enertia!
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The rider does make a huge difference. We have customers who consistently get 50+ miles plus on a single charge. And we have riders like me who love the feel of going from zero to 30 at every opportunity around town and I get about 30 miles. Although thats a guess as I never get below about 30% state of charge.
Talking with Rob who rode from Minnesota to San Fran recently it was fascinating to hear how adapted his style to maximise range....more of which another day.
The orginal 42 miles was calculated by MNSU:
The test involves driving the vehicle on a dynamometer that “simulates” driving on the road. This is required to make sure that every vehicle is driven under the same conditions each time the test is run to eliminate variability. The drive cycle is called the Federal Test Procedure 75 LA4 (FTP LA4) and simulates a driving cycle on US highway #4 in LA, California. Figure 2 is the trace the vehicle must follow when conducting the test. The “X” axis is time in seconds and the “Y” axis is vehicle speed in MPH.
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Is anybody getting anywhere near that range?
I have gone 35 miles with 7% battery charge left per the instrument cluster, so I think 42 miles is reasonable. I rarely go beyond 25 miles between charges and I typically ride too fast to get a 42 mile range.
Good to hear. I was assuming that my range was mostly limited by my route (the hills) but had not actually heard anybody else's range experience and didn't want to take a number (42) as gospel without some riders' real-world experiences backing it up.
Is anybody measuring kWh consumption at the outlet?
As a point of reference I frequently see 8% on the cluster after 24 miles of my commute. By varying the riding style I can get some variation (i.e. 14% remaining) but not enough where even 34 miles would be believable (if the cluster is correct on my return trip -- I get a major drop after my last hill).
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Is anybody measuring kWh consumption at the outlet?
This owner is:
Jason (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgzpETjNnvWAdFV1eGM5WlM5MjFuNUd5bGF4blZnWGc&hl=en#gid=0)
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Is anybody measuring kWh consumption at the outlet?
This owner is:
Jason (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgzpETjNnvWAdFV1eGM5WlM5MjFuNUd5bGF4blZnWGc&hl=en#gid=0)
Excellent. Is this user on brammoforum?
Assume:
* wall energy consumed while charging is proportional to pack energy discharged
* pack is linear with respect to range per capacity
Based on the first day 1% remaining capacity, his lower/upper quartile pack range is between 29.5 to 36.3 miles, median 33.9 miles. He has a fairly short commute which works well with the enertia.
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Excellent. Is this user on brammoforum?
Yes. He is ppc750: Here's his profile. (http://brammoforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=84)
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Assume:
* wall energy consumed while charging is proportional to pack energy discharged
* pack is linear with respect to range per capacity
Based on the first day 1% remaining capacity, his lower/upper quartile pack range is between 29.5 to 36.3 miles, median 33.9 miles. He has a fairly short commute which works well with the enertia.
- the linear assumption might not hold -- I'm travelling almost twice the distance and consuming less than twice the kWh at the outlet (don't think I've seen more than 3.2kWh for 24 miles)
- Note that the kWh at the outlet will also include charging beyond that used to recharge the batteries (i.e. balancing). This can be significant over say a weekend (think I've seen .5kWh over a weekend).
- I have questions about how the remaining charge % is being measured...I can get quite different results depending on exactly how I look at this after my commute (typically it starts climbing up).
- One interesting observation is that the range remaining (starts from 34mi) tends to decrease 1:1 with my elapsed trip (i.e. range estimate + tripmeter = 34mi is maintained). This typically holds true unless I use 100% throttle or until I hit the first of the "big" hills on the return trip.
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I'd like to see an updated Enertia with increased range. As soon as they bring one to market, I'm in. Just waiting now. 42 miles+/- is cutting it close for me. On the days that I work, I can make it 19 miles into town and recharge at work, but if I'm not working I'll need to use another bike. 42 miles will get me there and back but if I have errands to run, I'd be dead in the water with nowhere to recharge. Recharging stations would save my bacon, but in the middle of Coal Country that isn't likely to happen anytime soon. Barnes & Noble would probably let me recharge there but I need a bike so I can approach them about it. I'd like to be the first in my area to get one of these but I'd like more range for the rural riding that I do and the mountains. Of course, if Brammo were to give me one based on where I live, the COAL FIELDS of West Virginia it wouldn't matter to me. I might even buy some solar panels to recharge it, with the money I saved. Come on guys I really need one of these!
Hey, what is Brammo's company slogan? How about these?
Saving the Planet, One Motorcycle at a time!
Energy Independence, One Motorcycle at a time!
Better Solutions for a Better Planet!
Sorry, did figure it would hurt any to plug myself as the next one to get an Enertia! ::)
SamM
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Hiya Sam... I think we're all waiting on the news about an increase in range, so you're in good company.
Although they don't seem to use it recently, Brammo's slogan when I first started following them was "Saving the world, two wheels at a time." Pretty close to your suggestions.
Anyway, welcome to the forum!
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I thought they already had a cool slogan.
Yes, just a little more range and I'm in. Just sitting here on a large stash of cash waiting to hear something. They better hurry, I'm also looking a new 2011 Husqvarna TE630 to replace my 2008 KLR650. I ride everyday so I'll still need a gas powered bike to go on trips and to get me around. The Enertia will just be a commuter.
SamM
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http://mtajudy.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/my-enertia-has-a-big-sister/ (http://mtajudy.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/my-enertia-has-a-big-sister/)
key points seem to be
with an estimate of 60 miles on a charge! The new motorcycle, speculated to be named the Enertia Plus, has better battery technology that make the range better.
and especially this:
Brammo has also expressed the fact that the owners of the original Enertia, like mine, will be able to take advantage of the new technology.
So it seems that it isn't getting the Empulse pack, but improved battery management...maybe a mild increase in size too.
Giving the better battery management to current owners is quite nice (like an os update for your computer). It alone probably won't give a full 20 miles extra in range, but could give a nice little bump.
I expect the next Enertia to keep the same form, maybe an inch or two wider at the body, and have a 4 or 5 kWh battery pack. It would be nice to get the full 6 or even 8 kWh from the Empulse, but that would take a much wider or deeper body.
Gavin
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http://mtajudy.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/my-enertia-has-a-big-sister/ (http://mtajudy.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/my-enertia-has-a-big-sister/)
key points seem to be
with an estimate of 60 miles on a charge! The new motorcycle, speculated to be named the Enertia Plus, has better battery technology that make the range better.
and especially this:
Brammo has also expressed the fact that the owners of the original Enertia, like mine, will be able to take advantage of the new technology.
So it seems that it isn't getting the Empulse pack, but improved battery management...maybe a mild increase in size too.
Giving the better battery management to current owners is quite nice (like an os update for your computer). It alone probably won't give a full 20 miles extra in range, but could give a nice little bump.
Ahh, this was the article I saw :> I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat and guess that Brammo asked mtajudy to take it down, and gave her the goahead to repost yesterday with new info forthcoming. So another signal on the pile indicating new news is forthcoming..
Better battery management might lead to faster charge times and lower trickle charge current, and possibly to a more durable pack. I would be a little surprised to see a 10% increase in range just from better battery management.
I expect the next Enertia to keep the same form, maybe an inch or two wider at the body, and have a 4 or 5 kWh battery pack. It would be nice to get the full 6 or even 8 kWh from the Empulse, but that would take a much wider or deeper body.
It might not, *IF* they use the same cells they're planning to use in the Empulse. Those cells have substantially more claimed energy capacity per unit volume and unit mass than the valence packs in the Enertia - to the point where a 6.0 kwh pack might be lighter and take up similar space to the 3.1 kwh pack in the Enertia today. Packaging constraints might still force a redesign of the body, but I suspect the battery trays are designed to be fairly accommodating to a different pack.
Valence hasn't really announced any new battery packs, so if they continue to use Valence batteries they would need to redesign the trays.
http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=377.msg1880#msg1880 (http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=377.msg1880#msg1880)
My predictions:
* 6.0 kwh upgrade pack for $4-5k after trading in the existing batteries, double the range, slight acceleration and top speed (with re-gearing) increase, ETA mid 2011
* brammo enertia 4.0 for $7k (25-50 mi), 6.0 (40-80 mi) for $9k, liquid-cooled motor, ETA mid 2011
* wifi and GPS options, upgrades for existing enertias
* possibly a slight decontent on parts - question for existing enertia owners, would you have been happy to pay say $500-1000 less for less premium parts? (forks, brakes)
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I like your predictions....I'll take a Enertia 6.0 for 8995 :)
edit: In fact I think it was a twitter post where I mentioned that the Enertia should get the Empulse 6.0 pack and Craig asked me what that should cost...I told him, well the Empulse is bigger and faster, with more expensive parts...so if the Empulse 6.0 is 9995 then the Enertia should be 8995. end edit.
Still not sure they will have multiple versions of the Enertia though, especially if they are using the Plus naming...Enertia 4 and Enertia 6 would be fine, but Enertia Plus 4 and Plus 6 is a bit much...and just plus wouldn't make sense with more than one model.
But I would grab an Enertia 6 tomorrow if available...
Gavin
edit...And the naming is tough here...the Empulse goes 6, 8, and 10 according to pack size and range. But the Enertia with a Empulse 6 pack would likely have a range of around 70 or so miles. It is smaller and lighter with thinner tires. I like how the Empulse is named by range....so I think an Enertia with a 6kWh pack would be named Enertia 70, and Enertia with a 4kWh pack would be Enertia 50, etc etc.
Still think they should go just one Enertia...the Enertia 75. Use the Empulse 6.0 pack and give the new 2011 Enertia a top speed of 75 and top range of 75...hence the Enertia 75 name.
Of course it could be nice to have a lower cost model...so maybe they do have 2 models...the current one (slightly modded from 3.1 to 4.0 kWh) for 7995 and the newer one at 8995....
gah, brain hurts...craig please put us out of our misery and break the news...
:)
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* possibly a slight decontent on parts - question for existing enertia owners, would you have been happy to pay say $500-1000 less for less premium parts? (forks, brakes)
Not a current owner...but I am just the opposite....I would pay extra for better parts.
Now the entry level Enertia could maybe get lesser parts and go for 7495 or less
But I would like a step up model to have great parts.
heck, for my latest scooter (MP3-500) I would have loved a version that was lightweight metal for shave off 50 pounds. I would have paid a good bit more for that. (list was 8995 for the 500 that weighs about 540 pounds...if they had a special edition model that weighed under 500 I would have gladly paid a list price of 9995)
I'm actually hoping the newest Enertia has a bit better front forks since that seems to be one of the few areas that anybody has any issue with...
Gavin
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* possibly a slight decontent on parts - question for existing enertia owners, would you have been happy to pay say $500-1000 less for less premium parts? (forks, brakes)
Not a current owner...but I am just the opposite....I would pay extra for better parts.
Now the entry level Enertia could maybe get lesser parts and go for 7495 or less
But I would like a step up model to have great parts.
heck, for my latest scooter (MP3-500) I would have loved a version that was lightweight metal for shave off 50 pounds. I would have paid a good bit more for that. (list was 8995 for the 500 that weighs about 540 pounds...if they had a special edition model that weighed under 500 I would have gladly paid a list price of 9995)
When the Enertia was launched, supposedly they had the regular model @ $12k and the founders series @ $15k. The founders series were the first ones delivered, and had some carbon fiber elements (looks like brammobrian's bike has CF body cladding, not sure if the frame was carbon).
I'm not sure if they'd do that again. It'd be a limited production special for sure..
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Well I'm not looking to pay that much more :)
Paying extra to cut off 50 pounds on a 550 pound bike is one thing...could do that with changing heavy metal frame to composite metal or aluminum. Expensive but worth it, to me.
But the Enertia doesn't need to lose any weight...too light and it has issues with freeway traffic.
But I would pay a bit more for nicer front forks and maybe an upgrade to the rear shock and for a bench seat...and a bit more for special paint is always doable.
So, if two versions.
4 kWh model is very much like current model. 7995
6 kWh model is the step up. Like current but better range. Maybe two tone paint. 8995
6 kWh model Special Edition. Better front fork, step up rear shock, special paint job. 9495...bench option for 200 more.
But these are not even guesses at this point, just thoughts of what I would offer if I was at Brammo...
Gavin
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From Craig, on twitter and Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/BrammoInc Some exciting news next week. Make sure to like this page to stay up to date! #Brammo
OUCH. Better refill my Xanax prescription...
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mmm, i don't see that post....but next week doesn't surprise me after saying yesterday that they aren't quite ready...
oh well, would like sooner but I will survive till next week
:)
Gavin
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This is my position on the announcement of the Enertia Plus.
(http://)
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BrammoCraig Closer every day. Next week. For Sure! Brammo news coming . Very excited about the news and fun ahead!
mmmm, so monday would be nice...but I bet it is like thursday...Friday would be cruel :)
Gavin
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BrammoCraig Craig Bramscher
What do the numbers 2, 4 and 2500 have to do with anything anyway?
anybody???
2--two models--Enertia (current model) and Enertia Pro
4--New Enertia has a 4 kWh battery--with new Battery management it gives twice the range of the old Enertia
2500--cost for old Enertia model owners if they want to swap battery and Battery Management from new Enertia into there bike. Thus making their range close to 80 miles instead of 40.
of course all 3 of those guesses are way wrong.
Gavin
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2 models
4 variations--1 Enertia, 3 for the Empulse (6,8,10)
2500 sold or 2500 pre orders
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2,4,2500
How many dealerships does Harley Davidson have worldwide??
Gavin
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Here's what I said on twitter:
2 = 2 seater
4 = 4 Brammo Babes
2500 = the number of calories each of them consume per week.
Other than that, I have no idea.
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Here's what I said on twitter:
2 = 2 seater
4 = 4 Brammo Babes
2500 = the number of calories each of them consume per week.
That was good!
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2,4,2500 options.
2...
2 models (enertia and enertia plus---oh. E2 --but a little raised 2 like e squared)
2--- as in twice the range..from 40 to 80 miles
2 companies...brammo merges with a company with worldwide distribution..like Harley.
4...
4 kWh battery pack
4 times the density of current pack, but smaller and lighter.
4 miles per hour faster (seems too low though, I expect a 10 or more mph increase).
2500...
Price of battery upgrade seems to be the only choice...other than
Number of worldwide dealerships when brammo joins x company...x being Harley or somebody eles with many worldwide dealerships, but needs to expand ( Harley is slipping a bit in sales...needs something more cutting edge to go with the current image)
Others??
Gavin
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2,4,2500 options.
2...
2 models (enertia and enertia plus---oh. E2 --but a little raised 2 like e squared)
2--- as in twice the range..from 40 to 80 miles
2 companies...brammo merges with a company with worldwide distribution..like Harley.
4...
4 kWh battery pack
4 times the density of current pack, but smaller and lighter.
4 miles per hour faster (seems too low though, I expect a 10 or more mph increase).
2500...
Price of battery upgrade seems to be the only choice...other than
Number of worldwide dealerships when brammo joins x company...x being Harley or somebody eles with many worldwide dealerships, but needs to expand ( Harley is slipping a bit in sales...needs something more cutting edge to go with the current image)
Others??
Gavin
Price of the battery upgrade is not a bad idea. Especially if the battery is a 4kwh battery and you return your existing 3.1 kwh battery.
Another possibility is number of Brammo Enertia sales to date. Possibly Enertia sales + Empulse pre-orders.
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I thought of that too, but I thought there are 800 or so Enertias on the road and I know there are still less than 1000 Empulse pre orders, though hopefully that changes soon.
Does anybody know how many Enertias have been sold?
Gavin
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Two new tweets:
# @dsantolo well I dont want to be too silly, sday narrows it a bit... okay how about starts with a t and ends with sday?
So Tuesday or Thursday
I vote Tuesday :)
Sadly my vote doesn't count for much
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# Okay - big big big week. Somethings for public consumption, somethings not but they add up to big big for Brammo 30 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Public comsumption guess---Enertia Plus details
Somethings not---dealership partnership with....Harley??
Gavin
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Looks like someone (Wired) slipped... then tried to correct the slip by making the page at:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/10/brammo-enertia-doubles-its-range/ (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/10/brammo-enertia-doubles-its-range/) disappear... but in the world of the internets, it's too late.
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It's still out there. Check out the news section. ;D
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They did take it down fast. If you do a search within the Wired site for Brammo, The headline says, "Brammo ENERTIA doubles its range," which is still on the page so they missed that, but below that the teaser says, "Brammo's built a super-duper version of its Enertia electric motorcycle that's good for 80 miles and comes with some options that make it..."
I suspect that they got a press release that was set for a day this week and they didn't notice that it had a hold for release until a specific date and then somebody at Brammo or Wired saw the mistake.
I think it was about the Enertia Plus and they just jumped the gun by a few hours. If they jumped the gun, what other publication might have made the same mistake?
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Yeah, wired pulled theirs (likely till tomorrow), but another online source has yet to do it...so the info is still out there.
But other things are still to be released...like all the colors, the options, the release date, etc
Gavin
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That one is already posted on this site. I think the cat is already out of the bag.
http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=400.msg2108#new (http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=400.msg2108#new)