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Brammo Enertia Discussion => Brammo Enertia Plus => Topic started by: FrankH on December 11, 2012, 11:25:23 AM
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Still at the dealer, and not yet paid or licenced, but it's undeniably there!
:P
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When do you pick it up?
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Still at the dealer, and not yet paid or licenced, but it's undeniably there!
Still at the dealer, paid, recieved COC.. Tomorrow to the insurance...
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So now we almost have the first (non-fleet) Plus delivery to a customer, right? Congrats!!
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When do you pick it up?
The dealer needs to get it approved at the RDW (the Dutch equivalent of the DMV) and it needs to get a licence plate before I can insure it. And then I can pick it up so it may take another day or two. It will probably have to wait till the weekend because even though I want that bike in my hands ASAP, the freezing temperatures around here make me a little less eager to drive it.
I think CBke will probably beat me to it, but he's from Belgium so I'll still be the first in the Netherlands :P
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This is pretty interesting. First Empulse delivery in the States the same week as the first Plus delivery in Europe. Meanwhile no Plus deliveries reported in the States. There must be some sort of story behind that.
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A) Congrats!!! And the right color :)
You will love her...she is lots of fun. (i miss mine :( )
B) Made in Hungary....Quicker to Europe than a VERY VERY VERY slow boat across the Pacific.
Some should be in the States...Soonish...
Same reason Empulse sales will be much sooner in the States than Europe.
Gavin
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Brammo's are being delivered to customers around the globe!!
It's Christmas time for sure...
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Hi, my Plus, which i ordered in november, is hopefully also ready to be delivered... Seems that the Netherlands are again faster than the Austrians. Just like soccer...
http://www.elmoto.net/showthread.php?2642-Brammo-Enertia-Plus-Experience-Thread&p=34201#post34201 (http://www.elmoto.net/showthread.php?2642-Brammo-Enertia-Plus-Experience-Thread&p=34201#post34201)
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B) Made in Hungary....Quicker to Europe than a VERY VERY VERY slow boat across the Pacific.
Some should be in the States...Soonish...
from Brammo's facebook: "And for those of you interested in the Enertia Plus, we have a boatload coming over from Europe due to hit mid January"
Sadly I've not picked mine up yet because it needs to get approved by the authorities here, I think that is because mine's the first Enertia + to hit the streets in NL. The earliest date to get it approved is 20 december so it will be at least a week before I get to drive it there (with a temporary one-day registration). After that day I will not be allowed to drive it until I receive the licence papers and get a licence plate for it.
So I won't have much of a head start from those of you getting one mid January...
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Hi! Think I could fetch it from my dealer next monday. But I got to go to work...
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Hi! Think I could fetch it from my dealer next monday. But I got to go to work...
Dude. PRIORITIES.
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Dude. PRIORITIES.
You´re right. How could I. Oh if forgot to take my pills, ´xcuse me.
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Sadly I've not picked mine up yet because it needs to get approved by the authorities here, I think that is because mine's the first Enertia + to hit the streets in NL. The earliest date to get it approved is 20 december so it will be at least a week before I get to drive it there (with a temporary one-day registration). After that day I will not be allowed to drive it until I receive the licence papers and get a licence plate for it.
So I won't have much of a head start from those of you getting one mid January...
20th December... Well, at least you will have one day to ride it before the world ends ;D
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Hi! Think I could fetch it from my dealer next monday. But I got to go to work...
Dude. PRIORITIES.
Says the man who didn't got to Daytona. A-hem. :D
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Hi! Tomorrow I´m gonna get mine! Hopefully.
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SWEET.
Have fun, ride safe....
Gavin
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Today I got my Enertia+ !
#166
Oh yes. And it is definitly the very first in Austria, thus I have to wait at least until friday, the CoC needs to be added to the authorities...
Wait wait wait.
In the meantime it could customize my Enertia, haha, maybe some leather ribbons or a sissy bar...
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Congratulations!
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When do you pick it up?
The dealer needs to get it approved at the RDW (the Dutch equivalent of the DMV) and it needs to get a licence plate before I can insure it. And then I can pick it up so it may take another day or two. It will probably have to wait till the weekend because even though I want that bike in my hands ASAP, the freezing temperatures around here make me a little less eager to drive it.
I think CBke will probably beat me to it, but he's from Belgium so I'll still be the first in the Netherlands :P
FrankH is on the road ( and probably doesn't have time to post anything here )
https://twitter.com/EVC_Heemskerk/status/281834317997563904/photo/1/large
Me ? I'm still busy with the paper works ....
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Congratulations to Frank! Ok, this time the Dutch are faster than the Austrians...
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Congrats to all my Euro friends getting some cool electric vehicles to ride. :)
Photos...Thoughts....
Like the little woman in Poltergeist said, "All are welcome"
Gavin
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-lG0aoCYAA-FHe.jpg)
Caption: Klant "ready for takeoff" met zijn nieuwe Brammo Enertia.
@EVC_Heemskerk E-Vervoer Centrum
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Seeing other people on Enertia Plus motorcycles has driven me to extreme action...
He is a photo of me riding a Jet Ski out to the boat shipping the Pluses to the States....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8474/8087460558_b766011325_b.jpg)
Gavin
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Oh? You would like a photo?
https://plus.google.com/photos/107870546927451295357/albums/5824118822936642625?authkey=CPrOk5zMgpXEbQ
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nice :)
putting it up here. if you don't mind
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WwCiXLzyWlw/UNNtPEDgmzI/AAAAAAAAABA/WJQf2MnAcfM/w452-h339-p-k/20121219_140417.jpg)
Gavin
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FrankH is on the road ( and probably doesn't have time to post anything here )
https://twitter.com/EVC_Heemskerk/status/281834317997563904/photo/1/large (https://twitter.com/EVC_Heemskerk/status/281834317997563904/photo/1/large)
Me ? I'm still busy with the paper works ....
You're right, thanks to Twitter I won't have to post any pix here myself ;)
But the paperworks also kept us busy. The CoC that the dealer presented at the RDW could not be entered into the system and because of that, my Enertia is not yet registered for use on the road here (and cannot get a licence plate yet). Here it is, waiting for approval that didn't come while the employee was away trying to get some advice on the situation:
(http://stuff.frankhermes.nl/img/Enertia%40RDW.jpg)
Maybe it's the same issue that you're facing, CBke? The CoC has a number ending in 02 when only certificates ending in 00 and 01 are known in the system over here. It felt like a scene from 'Brazil' or some Kafka novel.
But, today I did drive it to the vehicle inspection station and then to work and after that I drove it home (some 60km in total) so now it's really mine. I'm not allowed to drive it anymore though :( until it's licenced. And that may take until next year because of the holidays and all.
When I did drive it, I was pretty excited (even when it was about 2 degrees C - just above freezing). It felt great to be riding again after two (three?) months on my bicycle.
But:
The suspension is a bit rough (but I'm not a heavy guy so it may need some adjustment or just needs to wear in a bit) so it felt a little bouncy sometimes.
Also, I'm not so excited about the acceleration from standing still: I had no real trouble staying ahead of cars behind me at traffic lights but it feels a little slow. Only after you hit 30kph or something, can you feel some acceleration coming on.
When I was on the highway for a short stretch I couldn't get past 110kph: it seems like it's limited artificially because I didn't have the throttle open as wide as it goes and I was going into a tunnel (downhill).
Both these issues I feel should be adjustable in some way. I'd really like it to accelerate a bit more and wouldn't mind being able to do 120kph on the highway.
So - no driving reports from me in the near future but all in all, a happy day.
Frank
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110 km/h = 69 mph
120 km/h = 75 mph
For our metric-challenged readers.. and me : P I try to think in metric, but gorram I am not used to it for some units of measure.
Pretty good considering Brammo rates the top speed at 60+ mph = 96+ km/h .. until it got cooler here, I could only get my Zero up to 86 mph of the 88 it was specced for. I've hit 90 since in a tuck .. so the power is there for me, but the stock controller cooling is too limited.
Very cool to see our Euro members getting their hands on the Enertia Plus.. merry xmas to you all! And a merry xmas to us as well with the Empulse : )
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Hee Frank!
Gefeliciteerd met je nieuwe fiets, hopelijk heb je het droog gehouden vandaag. Wat een rotweer om te rijden, bah.
Maybe the cold and todays strong wind limited the performance. My Vectrix also has less performance in these conditions. Today I barely made it to the office. The bike would not go faster than 80km/h on the last bit of motorway, battery completely flat... I need a new bike with better batteries ASAP!
Strong headwind and cold battery cells = poor performance and range.
Now that there are at least two ElMoto's in Amsterdam we can agree on an ElMoto bar to share our heroic stories :) One with a few chargepoint in front of course...
Have you arranged a chargepoint subscription already? Nuon has released a contract where you only pay per KWh and no monthly fee.
You will also need a Mennekes adapter including communication box. I bought one from Oscar Motorservice. Expensive though (285€)
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You will also need a Mennekes adapter including communication box. I bought one from Oscar Motorservice. Expensive though (285€)
Could be worse oplaadpunten.eu selling it for 375,10 €
I've found it at easyelectric for 284,60 € (thats prob. where Oscar get it)
http://www.easyelectric.nl/product.php?cat_id=14&prod_id=33 (http://www.easyelectric.nl/product.php?cat_id=14&prod_id=33)
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You're right, thanks to Twitter I won't have to post any pix here myself ;)
Pix ? Now we have a movie !
First Brammo Enertia "Plus" in the Netherlands delivered to customer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H9dcs22lr8&feature=youtu.be#)
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You will also need a Mennekes adapter including communication box. I bought one from Oscar Motorservice. Expensive though (285€)
Could be worse oplaadpunten.eu selling it for 375,10 €
I've found it at easyelectric for 284,60 € (thats prob. where Oscar get it)
http://www.easyelectric.nl/product.php?cat_id=14&prod_id=33 (http://www.easyelectric.nl/product.php?cat_id=14&prod_id=33)
Easyelectric = Oscar Motorservice ;D
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fell off jet ski...now swimming to cargo ship....
(http://brammoblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/swimming1.jpg)
Gavin
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Should have used one of these electric helicopters: 8)
Sikorsky Firefly: An Electric Helicopter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD8TfjDMYT0#ws)
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Battery-operated vertical takeoff vehicles are very hard, because of the fueling problem. Essentially, when you add more energy, you have to add more when you have to lift batteries as well (or any other heavy energy supply), you have to add more energy to compensate for the weight of the energy you're carrying. And then add more energy to compensate for the energy you just added..
http://what-if.xkcd.com/24/ (http://what-if.xkcd.com/24/)
One study on battery weight vs flighttime (PDF) (http://api.ning.com/files/aFMLPsgnHmZXdNMAY8PM0KekqE4uAQSMx2C%2ausF6KDpKiqpO4L9-hrUKYBsS-xtRMqo-K4GR5TPsM2Isq56oMw__/battery_capacity.pdf) showed that to maximize flight time, you want to have double the mass of the airframe in batteries.. and a local optimum in terms of flight time per battery weight ($$) is at 80% airframe mass in batteries.
1100 lbs of batteries in a 1900 lb airframe is pretty darn close to that 80% ..
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You will also need a Mennekes adapter including communication box. I bought one from Oscar Motorservice. Expensive though (285€)
Could be worse oplaadpunten.eu selling it for 375,10 €
I've found it at easyelectric for 284,60 € (thats prob. where Oscar get it)
http://www.easyelectric.nl/product.php?cat_id=14&prod_id=33 (http://www.easyelectric.nl/product.php?cat_id=14&prod_id=33)
Easyelectric = Oscar Motorservice ;D
Ok, I'll see how often I find myself wanting to load at a normal EV loading station. I did register for the free account with Nuon, haven't received a confirmation yet. But since my Enertia's not legal yet, that's no problem...
In Amsterdam there are quite a lot of electric scooter loading points, those have a normal outlet I think (no adapter necessary) but since they're rarely used, the city has decided to start removing them again. :o
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Maybe it's the same issue that you're facing, CBke? The CoC has a number ending in 02 when only certificates ending in 00 and 01 are known in the system over here. It felt like a scene from 'Brazil' or some Kafka novel.
The post took a very long time to deliver a paper...
Insurance is ok now (25 € :-) )
Just waiting for the numberplate...
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Maybe it's the same issue that you're facing, CBke? The CoC has a number ending in 02 when only certificates ending in 00 and 01 are known in the system over here. It felt like a scene from 'Brazil' or some Kafka novel.
The post took a very long time to deliver a paper...
Insurance is ok now (25 € :-) )
Just waiting for the numberplate...
Numberplate arrived; papers from insurance ok; with numberplate to dealer; and of we go...
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Wow. That was quite the process. Congrats! Nice to see bikes rolling out to all Brammo's patient fans! :)
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Riding a plus in Europe simply sounds awesome! Maybe Brammo should start a rental service in some main cities there. I would definitely rent an Enertia Plus to ride around some of those narrow streets.
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I would definitely rent an Enertia Plus to ride around some of those narrow streets.
We do not only have donkey trails here in europe.
I know another reason while you should rent one in europe: They are available ;)
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I would definitely rent an Enertia Plus to ride around some of those narrow streets.
We do not only have donkey trails here in europe.
I know another reason while you should rent one in europe: They are available ;)
I have driven in many of Europe's highways and I wouldn't take an Enertia anywhere near them. It's suicide. I just thought it would be a nice alternative to scooters. For the actual roads, I wouldn't take them with anything less than an Empulse and even that would be risky. A Lito Sora or a Lightning would be more appropriate for that kind of trip.
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Oh I did not know yet that our highway are that well known in the states...
I also has never seen such a monument like the lito before...
In vienna we got a highway limited to 80 km/h, perfect for my Enertia...
And in the inner city are really narrow streets, maybe you have seen the "third man" of the late 40ies. Here its still the same today
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I have driven in many of Europe's highways and I wouldn't take an Enertia anywhere near them. It's suicide. I just thought it would be a nice alternative to scooters. For the actual roads, I wouldn't take them with anything less than an Empulse and even that would be risky. A Lito Sora or a Lightning would be more appropriate for that kind of trip.
I did 2000 miles in the Alps on a F800ST and wouldn't hesitate to do it again on an Empulse... much better handling bike for the hairpin turns. Just have to work out charging with the hotels at night... and have shorter kilos per day. Lovely, silent way to do some of the best roads on the planet.
Now I DO admit I wouldn't want to ride ANYTHING around those crazy Italian kids on liter bikes that come out on the weekends! My buddy said, "They don't obey the traffic laws." To which I replied, "Hell, they don't obey the laws of physics!" We saw two hit each other head on a straightaway. One died at the scene; the other removed by air ambulance. Insane. Sad. Darwin at work, I guess. :(