Brammo Owners Forum

Dude, I just found and edited a Zero owner's round table (audio only) I hosted almost 8 years ago. It'll go up tomorrow. But yeah, I get it.

Hello all. Well, I am at it again. I am having fun once a week recording the week's elmoto news as best as I can. I am on YouTube and just last night I figured out how to turn that video into audio and post it to Spotify, Google Podcasts, Apple Podcasts, Podbean, Amazon, and iHeartRadio. I haven't got TuneIn and Pandora set up yet though. But I will work on it. Just search for ESBK Studios.

I don't like spamming the forums, but I'm getting 0 traffic. I thought maybe it's OK to speak up one time and if I get subscribers then heck yeah. If interest doesn't bump up then I can just do it for the fun of it and no one has to watch.

Here's my latest news roundup/show thing.

https://ttxgpmatters.wordpress.com/2021/11/21/esbk-studios-weekly-news-19nov21/


Thank you for your time.

  I have nothing nice to say.

So I DM'd a well know electric motorcycle dealership just inquiring if they were selling Energica or Lightning Motorcycles. I've just been out of touch and thought they used to sell Energica. I thought if the YouTube brew-ha-ha over Lighting had proved not true, they might be offering them.

They reply I got was . . . disappointing. Although I feel it wasn't done in malice, and aimed at someone actively looking to buy a bike.

Anyway part of the the reply was to demonstrate that you want to be cognizant of if the company you are buying from might not last, and could leave you stranded if you need parts. The comment was made that Brammo owners could be having a hard finding parts right now.

My snarky response should have been, well if they had as many recalls as Zero has had over the years I'd be worried for them. But alas hind sight and all that.

So, considering Brammo's production was sold off to Polaris, and put under the Victory brand, that was then killed off. Is anyone having a hard time getting parts and support?

Zero has always had consistent issues with recalls. So continued issues are of no surprise, but a dissapointment. You would think at some point if they aren't innovating they would have the time to get the bugs worked out. But Zero, after they kicked out the guy who started the company originally, it went full corporate. And their actions match those of a company run by a board whose mission is to make investors money. Although I'm not even sure they are a publicly traded company. Brammo was started and stayed under the control of an entrepreneur with passion. Zero won, Brammo lost. Zero hasn't innovated in years, yet I keep hearing the word associated with them. They have however evolved their bikes. But that reminds me of the days you would buy a Zero and the next year it was obsolete. They are going to milk this cow for as long as they can. They have no competition. $40k Lightnings that are just NOW getting made, maybe. $25k Energicas that could be as unreliable as a Ducati. Please. Cheap junk bikes from China. They are going to sit where they are and save their money and wait for the tech to come to them until somebody forces them to innovate. Which really, I feel is the smart play anyway. Motorcyclists, in the few years I actively blogged, proved how conservative they are, especially in relation to automotive enthusiasts. There was some inial excitement, but look at how well formula E is doing. Now that the FIA has pulled their heads out, have a spec race series and MotoGP stars on the bikes, maybe excitement will pick back up. But I feel that is not going to be the case. Electric motorcycles are going to be 10 years behind electric cars in adaption. And I have a feeling that the used market is what is going to really drive adaption rates in both markets. I miss Brammo as much as anyone but looking at things as they are now, and reflecting on how things were 7 years ago, letting Zero coast, as much as it grates on my last nerve, really seems like the reasonable thing to do for now.

Interesting, Ride Apart reported back then, with what appears to be a bit of a scoop based on rumors, that Victory is bringing one of the bikes from the TT. Recent pr's have it as a Victory Empulse TT race tuned and modded (heavily?). But with Don Canet, who is not a Mark Miller, Jake Holden, or Jeremy Toye. But he ran the Project 156 last year, so I guess I'll cut him some slack. The confusion seems to come from that they decided to call the modded TT an "RR" which is what the prototype bikes used to be called. Where the prototypes are now called "Victory RR"s as I found out via Victory's PR twitter account.

Then there is this multi faceted Zero team made up of a few of the previous race teams. And the Hollywood Electric's team with Mark Miller, and I guess someone else as Jake Holden is not on the entry list. I haven't dug that deep to read of a rider change.

Nice to see nothing changes when I stop paying attention. Atleast we'll get a legit Zero V Brammo . . . bah Victory, battle for a change.

https://ttxgpmatters.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/2016-tt-zero-second-practice-results-and-adult-language/