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Brammo Enertia Discussion => Brammo Enertia Plus => Topic started by: Gavin on October 21, 2010, 10:38:13 PM
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Any idea on when the new Enertia Plus will be put into production...and when customers will take delivery?
And are the US models being made in Oregon, or elsewhere with the flex deal?
We know they are coming 2011... But spring? Summer?
Gavin
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Im curious to know this as well... As far as the Empulse goes, Brammo seems to be all over the board for release dates. Im sure getting everything dialed in is much easier said than done though. I will try and wait patiently for my Empulse.
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Yeah, I can be patient too :)
It seems the rumors are that the Enertia Plus is spring and Empulse is summer...but that could easily be false or reversed or whatever.
Spring is a great time to release a motorcycle/powercycle....would be great if Brammo got both new models out before May.
At number 19 for an Enertia Plus, well I expect to be in the first wave of owners....whenever that is :)
Gavin
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I would guess fall of 2011 for the Empulse. The good news is they have a battery and a supplier dialled in. But if you followed the charging thread and read Brians remarks they are still designing the charger. I'd say we have a ways to go.
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I hope they can manage to get some Empulses and Enertias to dealers for test rides by next spring. If they can get these onto the streets at least as demos, the pre-orders will pour in. Many folks wait for the motorcycle magazines and blogs to review the bikes before they bite. So getting them to the media before mass production will help too.
Problem is, many of the people I ride with dont even know of Brammo's existence until I tell them. Get these on the streets and they will sell. I still haven't seen one Enertia out here in Colorado yet.
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In California you can purchase a second year warranty on the Enertia in order to qualify for the CARB rebate.
We are working on an extended warranty for all models in all regions and this will hopefully be available by early 2011 when the Enertia Plus starts shipping.
Looks like early 2011 for the Enertia Plus!
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At number 19 for an Enertia Plus, well I expect to be in the first wave of owners....whenever that is :)
Hey Gavin, how did you find out your number on the list? I'd love to see where I am on the Empulse pre-order list!
Mike
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Well it is a bit of an educated guess...
My Empulse number is a long mystery number
2100909009
But for the Enertia Plus release brammo redid the store and website
And my Enertis Plus order number is 19...so the likely conclusion, with the store going live just that morning, is that the 1-18 orders are Enertia plus orders that got through earlier than me.
Another option is that 18 people that morning ordered hats and I am the first Enertia Plus...but that seems less likely. :)
Gavin
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There was no "Order Number" on the invoice I received, but my invoice has an "Order I.D." which is the date followed by a number.
Mine reads: Order Id: 2010-10-19-XX.
This is the year, month and day I placed the order and the XX is where the numbers are which I'm not giving here (it's lower than Jack Benny's age). I suspected "XX" was the number of my place in the queue.
And if anybody here says, "Who's Jack Benny?" I'm gonna scream!
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Gavin: I was hoping you knew how to decode that long Empulse #!
Kelly: You replied as I was replying, but I think you're right about the beginning of the Empulse #. The date must be at GMT, because mine was placed after 10 PM EDT on July 28, but my order # implies the 29th: 20100729###. I hope the last 3 digits is the place in line, and not just the order sequence of the day!
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Kelly: You replied as I was replying, but I think you're right about the beginning of the Empulse #.
Mine was actually an Enertia Plus order.
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Date: 10/19/2010 09:56 AM
Order id: #19
No long number for me with the enertia plus order...
As for the Empulse...mine can't be the date...starts with 2100
Your Order #2100909009 (placed on September 9, 2010)
Gavin
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Date: 10/19/2010 09:56 AM
Order id: #19
No long number for me with the enertia plus order...
As for the Empulse...mine can't be the date...starts with 2100
Your Order #2100909009 (placed on September 9, 2010)
Gavin
I guess its is 210-09-09-009 .. so it starts with 210, which could either be 2010 shorted or maybe 2-10, where 2 means something and 10 is '10. Maybe they decided they wanted to change their numbering scheme partway through the ordering process. Dunno.
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Wanted to....gah, wanted to what? Don't leave us hanging :)
The number could be a mis-mash
21009090009
09 09 is obviously sept 9th
So we have 210 and 0009 to account for
Take a 0 from the 0009 and you have 2010 and 009
Now I doubt I was the 9th person to order an Empulse...nor the 900th...
So the number is still a mystery to me.
Gavin
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Sounds like we've got a Brammo Da Vinci Code going here.
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I found this Sept 30th article on motorcycle-usa.com that quotes Q3 2011 for the Empulse :(
"Bramscher reports more than 1000 pre-orders for the Empulse, with the first bikes expected to arrive by Quarter 3. "
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/750/8069/Motorcycle-Article/Brammo-and-Zero-Raise-Development-Funds.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/750/8069/Motorcycle-Article/Brammo-and-Zero-Raise-Development-Funds.aspx)
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Mmmm, this looks new at the Brammo store...for the plus this was added (or I didn't see it before)..
Available Mid 2011
So I guess not in the spring....too bad...I can wait, but I would buy it sooner if possible...
Gavin
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Available Mid 2011
So I guess not in the spring....too bad...I can wait, but I would buy it sooner if possible...
I pre-ordered a Black Enertia+ (order #142, for what it's worth). My current (ICE) bike is starting to fall apart so I really don't want to wait any longer than necessary... I need to replace the mufflers to keep it going for another half a year, and today it wouldn't start because of battery problems. At least one of those problems will go away when I've gone electric...
I just hope Brammo will manage to get those factories up and running quickly.
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Any word on where and when the Enertia Plus will start rolling off the assembly line? I don't expect to see mine before 2012 as I am 897th on the list. It sure would be nice to know where they are being made. I'm not buying a $9000 chinabike. If it's not made here in the US like the Enertia... I'm out!
EDIT: Yep, that was a typo! I meant 2012! Fixed it!
SamM
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I don't expect to see mine before 2011
I think that's a fairly safe bet at this point.
but it would be nice to know where they are being made.
Brammo has indicated in the past that they intend to do major assembly close to the point of sale. Subassemblies are likely all over the place, but this is no doubt the case for the Enertia as well. Leyden Energy and Valence are both US companies, I assume they manufacture their cells here.
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Gasoline is getting expensive here (there's a lot of state tax on it) and I'd like to stop using it for my commute to work. That's my reasoning for the Enertia Plus in the first place. I have a small 200cc Zongshen dualsport that is likely to be pressed into service as soon as the weather gets a little more pleasant. :-\ This bike is also one of my reasons for NOT wanting Brammo to farm it out to China. It has a couple of issue that I'll be addressing shortly. Build quality is a big one. That and I'm growing tired of sending my money overseas.
After I rework it, I'll be selling the Zongshen to help fund the Brammo. My daughter's Yamaha TT-R125E is also going on the market. Both were built in China and suck! Live and learn! It's 2K that I won't have to come up with though.
SamM
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Wanted to....gah, wanted to what? Don't leave us hanging :)
The number could be a mis-mash
21009090009
09 09 is obviously sept 9th
So we have 210 and 0009 to account for
Take a 0 from the 0009 and you have 2010 and 009
Now I doubt I was the 9th person to order an Empulse...nor the 900th...
So the number is still a mystery to me.
Gavin
I think they changed the numbering scheme around then, 'cause they probably hit 4 digits...
my order for what it's worth was Order #20100715007 (placed on July 15, 2010)
I'm assuming I'm 7th on the list, 'cause if I remember right, 15th July was the day they opened pre-orders...
so instead of changing the number of digits for the 1000th order to 20xxxxxx1000 they just redid the numbering scheme, I guess they didn't anticipate 1000 orders when they came out with that number scheme...
Now they announced hitting 1000 in end Sep, they could have announced it after having hit 1000 and then some... so your order- 21009090009 could well be 2-10-09-09-0009, where the first 2 (or 210 instead of 2010) could indicate the new numbering scheme, which would make your order 1009
[my 2 cents, although Gavin may not really want to be that far in the list :P]
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Just another thought. Could be the 9th pre-order on that date.
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Quite possible.
I'm an engineer, I've been programmed to over think things :D
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A few days ago I asked Brammo about when they expect my Plus will be ready. They answered that they're "still commissioning manufacturing facilities and establishing the supply chain, so the delivery dates have been pushed out". Nothing more specific at this point. So I'm trying to get used to the idea that it won't be an electric summer this year. And getting ready for another round of repairs of the old Suzuki.
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Mmmm, well my Fiat 500 Prima is coming this week...so I guess a brammo delay isn't a horrid thing...
If brammo had come first I might have canceled my car...but with my car coming first, well I could use the extra time to convince the wife I need an electric mc too...
Will be the first time in 6 years that a car is sitting on my side of the garage...luckily it is a small car so I can fit the car and my scooter And the plus when it finally comes. Just need to find a home for my little scooter as the plus is replacing that...
Gavin
Not mine, but mine is exactly like this...
(http://hphotos-snc6.fbcdn.net/192359_10150122798789906_729049905_6328002_4472324_o.jpg)
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@FrankH - Hopefully it's sometime this year...
Fortunately for me, since I'm in Arizona now, I can ride all year long... and it might still be an electric summer for me, considering summer is much longer here...
@Gavin - Lucky you, it's quite a looker. I don't know too much about the specs, but a it looks like it should be fairly zippy and fun to drive... Keep us posted, love to see the pics...
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Cute car, Galvin. It looks like it will be a fun ride. Congratulations! :)
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Mmmm, well my Fiat 500 Prima is coming this week...so I guess a brammo delay isn't a horrid thing...
If brammo had come first I might have canceled my car...but with my car coming first, well I could use the extra time to convince the wife I need an electric mc too...
Will be the first time in 6 years that a car is sitting on my side of the garage...luckily it is a small car so I can fit the car and my scooter And the plus when it finally comes. Just need to find a home for my little scooter as the plus is replacing that...
Gavin
Not mine, but mine is exactly like this...
(http://hphotos-snc6.fbcdn.net/192359_10150122798789906_729049905_6328002_4472324_o.jpg)
Gavin:
Congrats on that badass little bugger! Really looks a lot like the SEAT 650's I used to see all over spain when I was a kid (SEAT was spain's 'license-built' Fiat factory). Very, very cool.
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Should be a lot of fun...for a cage :)
It will likely get very few miles as I will still bike in the summer and scoot or brammo most of the rest of the year.
Buying it today...still say Brammo will release new Plus info within a week of me spending all my money :)
Gavin
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I just found this comment posted on the Electric Motorcycle Forum from James in Iowa:
Hey, Brammo Lovers, just wanted to share a reply to an inquiry I made with Brammo. This is from a March 29th 2011 e-mail reply:
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Thank you for your interest in Brammo and the Brammo Enertia Plus motorcycle. Currently we are still commissioning manufacturing facilities and establishing the supply chain, so predicting build dates for Enertia Plus pre-orders is not yet possible.
Unfortunately, the Enertia cannot be upgraded to the same battery pack as the Enertia Plus.
Hope this helps someone.
I was really interested in the Enertia Plus's extended range, but I don't have the patience to wait for it.
So that should answer at least two questions that have been kicking around here for a while. Unfortunately, it does bring up something that must be a concern for Brammo's marketing department. Many potential purchasers (especially younger ones) just don't want to wait for a new and exciting product and can quickly move on to something else. That is what happened to Zero. They generated a lot of hype and a lot of potential customers, which after a while went away to buy a Brammo, or an IC motorcycle when the Zero S and DS never materialized within a reasonable period of time (that would be measured in years - and not dog ones).
Fortunately for Brammo, there are very few options for anyone who wants an electric motorcycle, so it is not so easy to jump from one manufacturer to another. Unfortunately for Brammo, someone who is not so committed to electric power may end up going the IC route, where the products are readily available, exciting, well promoted and advertised, test rides are available and salesmen are enthusiastic and hungry.
I can certainly understand Brammo's problems in trying to set up a manufacturing system for a completely new technology from scratch, but I think they had better light a fire under the marketing department and do something to keep their potential customers' interest in the Brammo Plus and the Enertia motorcycles on the boil, before they become distracted and move on to something else. - Says a potential and enthusiastic Empulse customer.