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General => Off Topic => Topic started by: Richard230 on October 23, 2018, 09:19:46 AM

Title: 2019 Zero models
Post by: Richard230 on October 23, 2018, 09:19:46 AM
Zero has just announced their 2019 models and they are still taking "baby steps" every year.  ::) That is what happens when you don't have any real competition.  :(  If only Brammo/Victory was still around to get them out of their complacency.

Even with the anticipated arrival of the H-D LiveWire next year, I am not anticipating any big advancements at Zero as my guess is that the LiveWire will be a "premium" motorcycle and likely at a much higher price level than what Zero is selling their bikes for. I note that the introduction of the Energica line hasn't spurred Zero into any big advancements, either. Probably because of their high prices, weight, limited range and complexity. Oh well. Maybe some day the Chinese will get out of the urban environment and on to the freeway.  ???

Here is information regarding the new 2019 Zero updates:

https://electricmotorcycles.news/zero-motorcycles-introduces-their-2019-range-electric-motorcycles/



Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: HadesOmega on October 23, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
The day one of the big four make an electric motorcycle will be the day
Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: Brammofan on October 23, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
Richard... what do you mean by this?:
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I note that the introduction of the Enertia line hasn't spurred Zero into any big advancements, either.
Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: Richard230 on October 23, 2018, 04:48:07 PM
Quote from: Brammofan on October 23, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
Richard... what do you mean by this?:
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I note that the introduction of the Enertia line hasn't spurred Zero into any big advancements, either.

Oops. I meant to say "Energica".   :-[  I'll fix that right now.  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: HadesOmega on October 24, 2018, 02:29:10 AM
Saw this today

https://jalopnik.com/zeros-new-electric-motorcycles-have-more-range-power-a-1829936611

Looks like they've improved them a bit.  More range more power.  I'm surprised to see the highway range is not as good I thought it would be.  From what I heard you could do 100+ miles with a Zero with the largest battery pack. 
Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: Richard230 on October 24, 2018, 08:27:57 AM
Quote from: HadesOmega on October 24, 2018, 02:29:10 AM
Saw this today

https://jalopnik.com/zeros-new-electric-motorcycles-have-more-range-power-a-1829936611

Looks like they've improved them a bit.  More range more power.  I'm surprised to see the highway range is not as good I thought it would be.  From what I heard you could do 100+ miles with a Zero with the largest battery pack.

As you know, how far you travel on an electric motorcycle all depends upon how fast you go.  Last month I took a ride on my 2018 Zero S with Power Tank (a "nominal" 16.6 kWh) from my home in Pacifica to Big Basin State Park, via Highways 35, 9 and 236, then through Bonny Doon and returning on Highway 1, for a total distance of 146 miles, without needing to recharge. 3.6 miles from home the battery display showed a double "goose egg", but I still made it home with a little power to spare.  :)
Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: Ultratoad on October 24, 2018, 10:19:02 AM
Sorry.... BUT, to me the Zero's just look cobbled and antiquated....
Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: Richard230 on October 24, 2018, 04:21:06 PM
Quote from: Ultratoad on October 24, 2018, 10:19:02 AM
Sorry.... BUT, to me the Zero's just look cobbled and antiquated....

You are not the only one that thinks that.  ::)  I would call the styling "utilitarian".  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: HadesOmega on October 25, 2018, 01:54:25 AM
I thought the Zeroes looked cool until I got an Empulse =P

I'm wondering why they have not made a full fairing model yet?  As far as I know there is no lower costing full fairing sports electric bike.  Energica has the Ego and Lightning the LS-218 but they're so $$$$$

I'm sure a fairing would aid in increasing range especially at freeway speeds. 

140+ miles that's pretty good that's more than half I get on the Empulse. 
Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: Richard230 on October 25, 2018, 08:50:54 AM
Quote from: HadesOmega on October 25, 2018, 01:54:25 AM
I thought the Zeroes looked cool until I got an Empulse =P

I'm wondering why they have not made a full fairing model yet?  As far as I know there is no lower costing full fairing sports electric bike.  Energica has the Ego and Lightning the LS-218 but they're so $$$$$

I'm sure a fairing would aid in increasing range especially at freeway speeds. 

140+ miles that's pretty good that's more than half I get on the Empulse.


My guess is that full fairings (besides being expensive to develop and manufacture) equal sport bike and sport bikes are not the rage right now. Zero is going for a more profitable market and that is the ADV niche at the moment.  You can tell that by the way they push their DSR model and how it seems to be the only Zero that they offer the magazines to test. 
Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: jazz999 on November 01, 2018, 04:57:39 PM
Zero's design is essentially the same bland look for the past 6 years.  They have improved here and there, mostly the battery but overall not much innovation from them in a while.  The Empulse was well ahead of it's time.  I have no doubt if there was an Empulse 2019 it would surpass a 2019 Zero model in style and amenities.
Title: Re: 2019 Zero models
Post by: Richard230 on November 01, 2018, 07:19:54 PM
No competition = no need to improve your product.  :(