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Brammo Empulse / Re: To Fix or to Junk?
« on: February 25, 2017, 11:20:42 AM »
More and more, the answer to my question is leaning towards:

Junk

I originally got a quote from the dealership for fixing the bike at about $4,000. This included 4.5 hours of labor at $90 per hour. The dealership has been very fair about this and before they accepted my down payment for the parts that they needed to order, they wanted to double check the price for this repair. After waiting a couple of weeks, I finally called them up to ask them how things were going and the person working on my case said that after having this kind of problem, he was told that repairs often took 9 - 12 hours of labor and that they repairs often revealed other problems. In short, my $20,000 bike is turning into a money pit.

Estimated cost went from $4000 to $4700 with an unknown amount of extra work beyond that.

One thing about this story that has been an eye opener is that the dealership was able to find at least one more case where this kind of thing has happened. That is rather a big concern which points to a design flaw.

At this point of the story, I could not in good conscience recommend that anybody by an Empulse. Can anybody point out why I should? That's too bad, since I really have a very high opinion of Brammo. Now that the bikes are owned by... Victory? Polaris? I can't say I have as much faith.

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Brammo Empulse / Re: To Fix or to Junk?
« on: February 10, 2017, 06:35:47 PM »
That's an interesting idea, but I don't really feel too confident with messing with the power supply of the bike. Also, its not just the recharging system that's fried, but also the the part that connects the charging system to the battery.

Perhaps I'll get it fixed after all, and then start looking at eventually replacing the charging system myself, so the next time it fails, I would have more options on what I can do.


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Brammo Empulse / Re: To Fix or to Junk?
« on: February 10, 2017, 01:04:57 PM »
No. It's out of warranty, but the dealership is not willing to offer any warranty on the fix.

My concern is that after I get the bike fixed, it will fail again in the same way.

Perhaps I've become too used to things being reliable. My old Ninja 500 cost me less than the repair cost of the Empulse, it has been very reliable, and cheap to fix when it did have a problem. I was hoping that I would have a similar experience with the Empulse. When I pay $20k for a vehicle, I expect it to last more than 4 years. While the bikes were still owned by Brammo, they had been very helpful with teething issues that the bike experienced. Now that it belongs to Polaris, and I have doubts about their commitment.

I guess those are the risks you take when you buy something new.

Right now, I'm leaning towards not fixing the bike, and selling it for parts. Why throw bad money after good?

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Brammo Empulse / To Fix or to Junk?
« on: February 10, 2017, 11:13:08 AM »
As I reported some time ago:

A few days ago, my bike stopped charging. I finally opened the bike up a bit and discovered that there was a blown fuse.

After a fairly long discussion with the bike dealership, they admitted that Polaris is no longer willing to stand by their electric bikes.

I don't believe that I did anything in particular to cause the original problem with the bike. I would ride it and recharge it every day. Then one day, preforming the normal recharge cycle destroyed the pretty much all of the recharging system. This is equivalent to having your bike catch fire while you refuel it.

Now I'm left with a dilemma. I could pay $4000 and get the bike repaired, or I could pay a lot less and tow the bike to a scrap yard.

If I get the bike repaired, the dealership is not prepared to offer any guarantee that the original problem won't happen again, so I may end up with another $4000 repair bill in the near future. If I get it repaired, I could try to trade it in for a Zero.

The alternative is to tow it to a scrap yard.

What would you do?

It should be fairly obvious that I'm rather disappointed in Brammo. Either their design wasn't built with sufficient fail safes to prevent this catastrophic outcome, or they didn't build the recharge system to specifications. Since they sold their bikes to Victory, there is nothing that Brammo can legally do to help me, and since Victory itself if going out of business, my Brammo Empulse pretty much has no future.

(Note that the dealership is going to start charging me storage fees because they are tired of seeing that bike on their lot, so I can't think about this for too long.)

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Brammo Empulse / Re: Blown a Fuse
« on: January 22, 2017, 06:02:18 PM »
I ended up taking the bike to the dealership to see what they can do about the melted cables. After a bit of discussion, I left the bike with them to see if they could come up with a way to resolve the issue that we can both agree on. It's been a few weeks so far, and I hope they can figure something out, or this may be the end of the road for me.
:'(

This is an interesting test of how dedicated Victory (and Polaris) are to Brammo's early customers. Whatever the outcome is - good or bad - I'll be sure to share it with everybody. (I hope it's good - I love to ride my Empulse!)
:)

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Brammo Empulse / Re: Blown a Fuse
« on: December 12, 2016, 01:04:13 AM »
I got the bike to the shop without any trouble, as the bike had sufficient charge to get there. However, I got some rather bad news once they had a look under the hood.

According to the service technician: the ev power charger pack had an internal short that caused wire damages that melted through the main harness and into dc converter box.

It turns out that this isn't going to be fixed by replacing a fuse! They want to replace quite a lot of hardware: the EV charger pack, the wires and even the DC converter box. It turns out that high voltage electronics is not easy, and when things go wrong, they really go very wrong!

I am thankful that the entire bike hadn't caught fire when the fault occurred as there was enough good design to prevent that.

Has anybody else experienced anything like that?

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Brammo Empulse / Re: Blown a Fuse
« on: December 04, 2016, 01:21:14 PM »
Before I went ahead to buy a box of fuses, I decided to try an experiment. I switched out the broken fuse with one of the remaining working fuses. The idea was to see if the only reason why the charging wasn't working was due to that fuse. Removing some other fuse was going to cause an issue elsewhere, but it if the charging worked, then at least I could buy fuses with confidence that replacing them would fix the problem.

That didn't work. So I took another look at the bike and this is what I saw in the space between the batteries and the charging box:



If it's not clear from the picture, there quite a lot of melted insulation in there. Alas, that's nothing that a simple replacement fuse will fix.

Over a year ago, Adan wrote this:
The problem, I was told, was the connectors to the charger.  They melted.  I was told this is a "known problem," the solution to which is to install more robust connectors.

I wonder if I 'm having the same issue that Adan was talking about. I hope the procedure for replacing those wires is well established, and it will be a simple task to replace the melted connections.

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Brammo Empulse / Re: Blown a Fuse
« on: December 01, 2016, 12:22:44 PM »
You must have a fine parts store near you - I wasn't able to find a replacement fuse anywhere I looked in Orlando. Lots of places have 15A fuses, but nobody had one that could take 125V. I'm going to have to buy a bunch of them online. That's okay, except that shipping costs more than the fuse, unless I buy a box of them, so that's what I'm going to do.

By the way, littlefreak3000, when you were wiring your custom brake light, can you recall which fuse burned out? It might be interesting to see (and document) which systems each fuse is protecting.

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Brammo Empulse / Re: Blown a Fuse
« on: November 29, 2016, 10:31:42 AM »
After spending a bit of time looking for replacement fuses, it looks like the fuses I'm looking for are:
125.6785.5157 (15A) and 125.6785.4507 (5A)

Here's the data sheet about those fuses:
http://www.littelfuse.com/~/media/automotive/datasheets/fuses/passenger-car-and-commercial-vehicle/blade-fuses/littelfuse_fun_mini_125v_blade_fuses.pdf

I don't know if I'll be able to buy any less than 50 of each type of fuse at a time.

Has anybody else already bought those fuses? If so, can I buy a few? If not, then I'll probably buy a box, and sell them at cost (price of box/50 + shipping) to whoever wants some.

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Brammo Empulse / Re: Instrument cluster goes black!!!
« on: November 29, 2016, 09:49:50 AM »
I've had a few problems with the instrument cluster, but I haven't seen it go completely black. Does it turn off, or does the LCD turn all the pixels to black?

The issues that I've had were:
  • Humidity in the cluster causing the LCD to be illegible. It would eventually dry out after a few weeks.
  • Water in the cluster which caused the tachometer and the LCD to fail after some time. I don't know how the water got in there. I left it at a dealership to get serviced, and when I got it back, there was water pooled under the tachometer!
  • (Note that the first two issues were with the original cluster, which wasn't very water proof. Brammo had given me a few replacement clusters, and then finally, after the latest issue, they gave me the new version, which is much more water resistant!)
  • The tachometer range got shifted, so that it went from 4 K rpm to max, rather than from 0 to 9 k rpm. After a while, it fixed itself.

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Brammo Empulse / Blown a Fuse
« on: November 29, 2016, 09:39:58 AM »
A few days ago, my bike stopped charging. I finally opened the bike up a bit and discovered that there was a blown fuse.



Looks like a 15 Amp 125 Volt fuse.



Does anybody know what circuit that fuse is protecting? I'm going to replace the fuse and see what happens, but if there's something else wrong with the bike, the fuse will just blow again.

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I wonder if I'm getting this same problem.

My bike stopped charging at the Level 2 charger at my office on Thursday, but the Level 1 charger still worked at home. I was able to charge to 100% and make it to work. When I got back home on Friday, and tried to charge with the Level 1 charger, that failed to work any more.

Can anybody tell me how I can see if the connectors had melted? Or is the only way to to take the bike to the service department to take a look?

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Brammo Empulse / Re: 2013 Empulse Sprockets
« on: November 19, 2016, 09:34:52 AM »
I finally got around to scanning and processing the table to torque specifications that were listed in the manual. (I hope I'm not violating any copyrights by publishing them!)

Here's a link to the data:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J0hJZJm1QIRS6ItCFKH_GGsnU3r6CwPQoPI_Rdc4HWM/edit?usp=sharing

Note that these values come from the Provisional manual for the 2013 Empulse R. Some of the values are going to be obsolete (e.g. for the Tail Assembly, which was replaced after the recall).

Please feel free to add comments if you can figure out what some of those cryptic codes mean.

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Brammo Empulse / Re: 2013 Empulse Sprockets
« on: November 18, 2016, 11:13:18 AM »
After quite a bit of back and forth, it turned out that while I was able to get a rear sprocket from a Victory dealership, they were not able to get me a front sprocket. I ended up getting one after asking nicely to a Brammo representative directly. They are not in the business of retail, so we had to get a bit creative in how I could buy the sprocket from them.

Something that I found a bit surprising is that the lady at the Victory dealership said that she was not able to get any response from Brammo about the front sprocket. I don't know who she was in contact with, or what she did to try to reach out to them. I hope things improve in the future.

Changing the sprocket set is actually quite easy! The most difficult part was removing the back wheel, since the axle rod is difficult to remove. (Hint, you need some kind of rod to push out the axle.) The front sprocket is held on to the motor with a C-clip. One tricky part of this process was knowing the torque to use for the bolts on the rear sprocket. Happily, this information is provided in the draft version of the manual that I got with the bike. I don't think that it's in the new version of the manual, so I don't know how anybody else has figured that out.

(If anybody wants it, I can send them a picture of those pages of Torque information.)

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Brammo Empulse / Re: 2013 Empulse Sprockets
« on: September 20, 2016, 11:46:02 AM »
Speaking with a representative from Brammo (Kurt Beckman), I learned that the sprockets for the 2016 (Victory) Empulse are compatible with the sprockets for the 2013 (Brammo) Empulse.

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Yes the sprockets should work regardless if the bike is a 2013 or 2016 as far as fitment goes. Tooth count is 38T for rear on both and bolt pattern and center hole is the same. If you wanted to change gearing the rear is a common 5 bolt by 100mm I believe. I do not know of a front sprocket cross-over that would work but this is also the same sprocket from 2013-2016.
 
Rear sprocket part number for 2016:
1333568 1 SPROCKET, 38T, 520
B24564736 1 PINION FOR CHAIN 520 14T

I'm going to buy a set and hopefully the replacement will proceed without any problems.
:P

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