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General => Brammo News And Views => Topic started by: Brammofan on July 17, 2015, 11:09:16 AM
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I just heard this from Brammo. Be on the lookout. Can't imagine what someone plans to do with this one of a kind racebike, other than take it for a joyride.
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My money you will find a squid laying next to this thing on the road by the end of the day. I doubt the person who stole it will be able to handle this beast.
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What "squid" would even know this bike exists?
This kicks over the "bizarre" meter past "Tilt".
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What "squid" would even know this bike exists?
Perhaps a disgruntled ex-employee?
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Brammo has those? 8)
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http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/theft-alert-victory-isle-man-tt-podium-bike-stolen-motorcycle-thieves-suck (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/theft-alert-victory-isle-man-tt-podium-bike-stolen-motorcycle-thieves-suck)
Usual 3 motives: fence / chop, joyride, revenge.
An unusually targeted attack for a bike that probably has very little immediate fencing / chop value .. maybe around $10k on the black market, but the parts are so unique that they would be difficult to move. Potentially much higher value for a collector that would be willing to hold it for a long time.
Joyride is possible. Hopefully they can retrieve the bike without too much damage if it is abandoned.
Revenge / grudge very possible.
Brammo has those? 8)
Any company that has terminated staff will have disgruntled ex-employees. Brammo may have more recently terminated employees than most, however.
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Usual 3 motives: fence / chop, joyride, revenge.
Ah, I dearly wish I shared your clear view of human character and motivation... :D
Any company that has terminated staff will have disgruntled ex-employees. Brammo may have more recently terminated employees than most, however.
Ya think? http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Brammo-Reviews-E234789.htm (http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Brammo-Reviews-E234789.htm)
I found some more details in the local paper: http://insideevs.com/victory-motorcycle-stolen-from-brammo-hq-reward-offered/ (http://insideevs.com/victory-motorcycle-stolen-from-brammo-hq-reward-offered/)
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Thank you Ted, for the link about employee's experience working at Brammo. Disheartening.
In the comments, Roland Stone, in a conjecture about the thief's motive, writes, "Maybe an Empulse owner finally realizing he’s never likely to realize any significant product support from Polaris."
I'm wondering if anyone on this forum has any data to support the claim of Polaris's not delivering any support. Upon what is this based?
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Just for perspective, I've looked at the Zero reviews: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Zero-Motorcycles-Reviews-E752528.htm (http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Zero-Motorcycles-Reviews-E752528.htm)
...and Tesla:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Tesla-Motors-Reviews-E43129.htm (http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Tesla-Motors-Reviews-E43129.htm)
...and Mission:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Mission-Motor-Company-EI_IE478226.11,32.htm (http://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Mission-Motor-Company-EI_IE478226.11,32.htm)
I've got an account there, not sure what or how much you can see without registering with them.
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This may be deleted before anyone reads it...
As one of the aforementioned "disgruntled former employees", I find it very difficult to imagine a former employee stealing this machine. The question that should be asked is why a $1000 reward for such a "historically significant motorcycle"?
And yes, if spreading truth, raising your hand to be counted and unveiling injustice makes someone a disgruntled employee... So be it.
Many good, hard-working men and women worked tirelessly to bring uncompromising perfection to the machines you all have spent your hard earned dollars on. I personally wouldn't change a thing about my time at Brammo. Enjoy your machines, all.
Cheers,
RealTalk
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The question that should be asked is why a $1000 reward for such a "historically significant motorcycle"?
or information leading to... That would make it a milli-ruby-slipper:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/12/donor-puts-up-1m-reward-for-information-leading-to-stolen-judy-garland-slippers/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/12/donor-puts-up-1m-reward-for-information-leading-to-stolen-judy-garland-slippers/)
(definition: Information leading to the recovery of 1/1000th of a ruby slipper...)
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This may be deleted before anyone reads it...
As one of the aforementioned "disgruntled former employees", I find it very difficult to imagine a former employee stealing this machine. The question that should be asked is why a $1000 reward for such a "historically significant motorcycle"?
And yes, if spreading truth, raising your hand to be counted and unveiling injustice makes someone a disgruntled employee... So be it.
Many good, hard-working men and women worked tirelessly to bring uncompromising perfection to the machines you all have spent your hard earned dollars on. I personally wouldn't change a thing about my time at Brammo. Enjoy your machines, all.
Cheers,
RealTalk
...well, if they delete yours, they gotta delete this too. ;)
I'm not sure why you feel anyone would delete your comment, "RealTalk", but I'm not clear on what you're suggesting with your "spreading truth, raising your hand to be counted and unveiling injustice makes someone a disgruntled employee... So be it." comment. Care to clarify?
Glad to hear you still have positive feelings about your time with the company.
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This may be deleted before anyone reads it...
As one of the aforementioned "disgruntled former employees", I find it very difficult to imagine a former employee stealing this machine. The question that should be asked is why a $1000 reward for such a "historically significant motorcycle"?
And yes, if spreading truth, raising your hand to be counted and unveiling injustice makes someone a disgruntled employee... So be it.
Many good, hard-working men and women worked tirelessly to bring uncompromising perfection to the machines you all have spent your hard earned dollars on. I personally wouldn't change a thing about my time at Brammo. Enjoy your machines, all.
Cheers,
RealTalk
Can you talk more about your time at Brammo, maybe in a separate thread? Genuinely curious to get an insider perspective.
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Many good, hard-working men and women worked tirelessly to bring uncompromising perfection to the machines you all have spent your hard earned dollars on. I personally wouldn't change a thing about my time at Brammo. Enjoy your machines, all.
Cheers,
RealTalk
I appreciate your hard work and I enjoy my Enertia every time I ride it. Thanks for joining the forum. I hope you'll stick around and answer some of the questions people have asked.
And no, your comment will not be deleted. No one from Brammo has ever suggested I delete anything from this forum. This is MY forum, and I don't take marching orders from anyone. Um...except, sometimes, my wife.
P.S. - The Empulse RR has been found. Press release from the Talent PD to come.
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Great news on the the RR recovery!
https://twitter.com/BrammoSays/status/623174532908478464
Looks like Roland stone based his Polaris abandonment thesis on his "intuitive notion", according to his reply on the other forum. Sigh of relief.
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Apparently never made it out of town:
http://insideevs.com/victory-motorcycle-stolen-from-brammo-hq-reward-offered/ (http://insideevs.com/victory-motorcycle-stolen-from-brammo-hq-reward-offered/)
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The last reply from Mike on that page also provides some context for the amount of the $1000 reward for information. I know I made a joke about it above, but it wasn't my intention to belittle the strategy, just to make a fun observation about the relative amount of drama in 2 unrelated and not-very-comparable theft incidents.
I would point out, though, that there are plenty of scenarios where the information would come from someone other than a friend of the thieves getting motivated to turn their friends in. I imagine that there are plenty of things that regular citizens see that they don't question or think to report until a reward makes them scour their memories and reconsider what they might have seen. "Two guys pushing a sport bike down the street" may or not be the stolen bike and it would be a hassle to make a report for the low probability of making a difference - but a reward brings out all of the tidbits onto the table, only one of which has to pan out.
I'm glad they recovered it, but one of them was charged with Aggravated Theft. I usually associate the word aggravated with the use of a weapon - perhaps it was the high value of the vehicle? Or a tie in to gang activity?
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"Aggravated Theft
In some states, aggravated theft is the highest degree of theft. In Oregon, a person can be charged with “aggravated theft in the first degree” if he or she steals anything that’s more than $10,000.00 and commits theft in the first degree. In some states, aggravated theft can also be charged when a person physically harms the victim, hurts someone else, or damages expensive property during the act of stealing.
Read more : http://www.ehow.com/info_8730188_difference-between-theft-aggravated-theft.html (http://www.ehow.com/info_8730188_difference-between-theft-aggravated-theft.html)"
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Saw this @ lunch today:
http://www.kdrv.com/news/Police_Recover_Stolen_250000_Motorcycle_.html (http://www.kdrv.com/news/Police_Recover_Stolen_250000_Motorcycle_.html)
Re: Polaris. I imagined it was conjecture, to the best of my limited-but-recent knowledge no Polaris dealer is supporting Brammo customers yet (or... are they?).
I've never dealt with them, I don't know how Polaris normally supports their customers, or how they may treat a red-headed stepchild acquisition.
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sometimes
Yes, let's go ask MsBrammoFan about that.
: )
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I participated in the recovery of the bike from the thief's bedroom closet. Took 2 of us to get it out of there with a lot of back and forth and rear end lifting of the bike. Would've been near impossible to get the bike in there without assistance. He crashed it through the drywall in the house at least once and we discovered blood on the front of the bike. Definitely not a criminal mastermind... Just looking for a quick buck and made a bad choice 1. To steal a bike. 2. To steal an electric bike and 3. To steal a one-off, carbon fiber bodywork prototype electric bike. Even with the bike mostly intact, he's managed to do about $30k in damage owing to the carbon and 3d printed prototype parts he busted up. If it had been a production bike, it might have only been $1000. He told the cops he was aiming to make $500 bucks selling the parts...
I hope this event allows him/them to get help as they clearly were living under strained conditions. I'm just happy to have the bike back in a working and repairable condition. We have a contactor built in to the battery modules for safety - I.e. If the bike is off, there is no exposure to the 400Vdc battery bus voltage. Given his disassembly techniques, he's lucky that safety circuit is there or he might have ended up in the hospital or worse...
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Thanks for the first-person report, Brian.
I took one look at their mugshots and knew these were not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
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Stealing a 400V race bike... does that insure they will be charged with "battery?"
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A&R has some more details and photos on the theft.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/curious-details-stolen-victory-tt-race-bike/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/curious-details-stolen-victory-tt-race-bike/)