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General => Brammo Racing => Topic started by: Brammofan on June 21, 2012, 11:14:58 AM
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Sounds like they may have some limited Gas vs. Electric action. :o
From the TTXGP Forum (http://ideas.egrandprix.com/viewtopic.php?p=201#p201):
Portland's going to be a little different to the norm. EV Live providing a lot of exciting stuff to do and see on saturday with everything from1-4 wheels taking part, the folks at OMRRA are fantastic and are allowing some of the racers to join the grid in a gas race during the weekend (more on this tomorrow) and allowing the teams to practise on Sunday morning with the equivalent speed gas bikes, giving teams more options to perfectly hone the bikes ready for racing at 2pm
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(http://www.egrandprix.com/files/images/EV%20Live%20website%20flyer%2021%20may.jpg)
Nice shot of Steve Atlas on the TTXGP's EVLive graphic.
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Interesting. "All Torque / No Gas" is a bit of a misnomer then.
Steve Atlas is healed up and ready to compete? Awesome news. Brammo had a terrible experience last time, hoping for some good racing this weekend..
Looks like Lightning won't make it? Disappointing. Empulse RR wasn't looking that competitive at early practice at Infineon, but it didn't really get a full shakedown. It'll be interesting to see if the Empulse can hang with the MotoCzysz bikes. Hoping for a close 3 way race : )
I see a journalist at motorcycle.com on one of the eSuperSport eSuperStock Zeros. Zero's Kenyon Kluge is returning, unfortunately all other eSS racers from Infineon are not on the list of racers. I wonder if the 4 bikes are being hauled around by Zero and they recruit whoever they can find to ride them.. two riders are listed as association OMRRA.
Here's the full track schedule:
http://www.omrra.com/pdf/OMRRA_Schedule_June-b_2012.pdf (http://www.omrra.com/pdf/OMRRA_Schedule_June-b_2012.pdf)
TTXGP Practice @ 10:52-11:12 AM Saturday, qualifier @ 3:58-4:18 PM. Race is @ 2:05 PM Sunday.
I see on the schedule "Middleweight SBK / Formula II / Middleweight Classic SBK / Electric SBK" @ 4:10 PM Sunday, 2 hours after 9 lap TTXGP race. This is a 12 lap race.. so will be more energy limited.
Last year at PIR, MotoCzysz raced against the middleweight superbike class (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=46100) and dominated until retiring at lap 8. A repeat performance, with two MotoCzysz bikes and the Empulse (hopefully!) would be pretty sweet.
This weekend is looking pretty exciting. What's the best way to stay tuned into the race activities, Brammofan?
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What's the best way to stay tuned into the race activities, Brammofan?
Good question. I'll post answers here as I discover them.
Always a good idea to follow @ttxgp on twitter. And their page at www.egrandprix.com (http://www.egrandprix.com) .
Other twitter names to watch:
@Brammodesigner (Brian Wismann)
@AtlasMediaLLC (Steve Atlas)
Non-Brammo:
@MotoCzysz
@emotorules (that's me, but it's more ttxgp and racing focused than @brammofan)
@VT_BOLT - (the Virgina Tech team - they've been posting during their cross country trip)
@ttxgpfan - (Richard Dort)
@brhiln - Member of the Virginia Tech team
(will add others as I come across them. If anyone has any additions/suggestions, post 'em up).
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Here's a short onboard video capture of the race last year with the E1PC passing on lap 1 straight like a rocket @ 1:35:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScD6TATMuw#t=1m30s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScD6TATMuw#t=1m30s)
Pushing the race out to 12 laps from the TTXGP 9 laps will be tough on batteries. Speculation on elmoto (http://www.elmoto.net/showthread.php?1679-Motoczysz-E1PC-at-OMRRA&p=20662&viewfull=1#post20662) is that the "shredded rain tire" withdrawal was really a "ran out of battery charge" withdrawal. I guess this year will be a good indication of how much they have to slow down to extend from 9 laps to 12.. give some insight into what would happen if IOM TT Zero went to two laps from one.
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From PIR's site:
Track Length
Without "Festival Turns" - 1.915 miles and 9 turns.
With "Festival Turns" - 1.967 miles and 12 turns.
12 laps = ~ 24 miles.
Snaefell Mountain Course, Isle of Man = ~37 miles.
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From a previous thread, but this thread made me want to reflect on it:
Started by Brammofan - Last post by protomech
You make it sound like I enjoy listening to the sound of my own voice..
I love Proto's posts....and I assume it's not that BFAN (or myself) thinks he enjoys listening to his own voice; it that his posts are smart, full of facts, yet easy to understand and grasp...it is a talent.
So for me to go and argue or convince somebody about their false concepts of electric "COULD" go well...or could end with me calling them "stupid poo poo pants in the pocket of big oil" or something similarly silly.
this thread is a great example....BFAN links to the TTXGP Portland site and I go, "ooohhh, pretty...shiny fast things make me happy happy joy joy, where is the like button to push and signal my approval."
Proto comes back here with facts, figures and insights to the race I would have never seen.
It's kinda like if Proto and myself are both shown a small sac filled with Tiger's Eye gemstones:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/Tig.jpg)
Proto's response would be along the lines of: Tiger's eye (also called Tigers eye or Tiger eye) is a chatoyant gemstone that is usually a metamorphic rock that is a golden to red-brown color, with a silky luster. A member of the quartz group, it is a classic example of pseudomorphous replacement by silica of fibrous crocidolite (blue asbestos). An incompletely silicified blue variant is called Hawk's eye.
Mine response: "ooohhh, pretty...shiny stone things make me happy happy joy joy, where is the like button to push and signal my approval."
Gavin
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I love Gavin's posts, especially when he's at or above a [4]
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I like pretty rocks.
Snaefell is long and high speed, but it's a momentum sort of track. None of the bikes have enough stored energy to run flat out for most of the course - but tires are good enough to carry high speed through most of the corners. A bit less than 14 kWh (E1PC) / 37 miles = 380 Wh/mile @ 104 mph average.
A shorter multi-lap racetrack is going to have a far more acceleration from low to high speeds - probably more energy required per mile to maintain the same average speed.
Laguna Seca is 8 laps @ 2.3 miles = 18 miles. Lightning fully depleted its pack last year - 12 kWh / 18 miles = 670 Wh/mile @ 81 mph average.
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Steve Atlas is healed up and ready to compete? Awesome news. Brammo had a terrible experience last time, hoping for some good racing this weekend...
Was that info on Atlas confirmed? Also, ignore www.egrandprix.com (http://www.egrandprix.com) as source of news. The last post was more than two weeks ago. There are a few blogs that usually get the insiders' views online pretty fast. I dug some of them when I was looking for info on the accidents last time. Also, a few people also post news on elmoto.net.
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Was that info on Atlas confirmed?
He just posted on twitter that he is headed to Portland to race for Brammo.
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Great news...
G
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www.pirlive.com (http://www.pirlive.com) - watch on two fixed cameras and listen to race announcers.
NA TTXGP @ 2:05 PM PDT, 5:05 PM EDT.
Middleweight SBK / Formula II / Middleweight Classic SBK / Electric SBK @ 4:10 PM PDT, 7:10 PM EDT.
Anyone interested in hopping on Google+ to watch the race as a group?
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It's a little weird to watch as you can only see 2 pieces of the track (if you are used to MotoGP coverage, lower your expectations), but I hope the commentary will give enough context to the webcast.
"Gentlemen: turn on your engines!" ... "I said turn on your engines!" "They're on! I promise!" "O.k., then..."
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Congrats,Brammo:
(http://brammofan.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/portland.jpg)
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Well, I'm still waiting for confirmation, but it appears to have been a "no attrition" race from the start of the race.
1 - Brammo
2 - VTECH
3 - Protomoto
All Zeros came after that, but I am not sure of the order.
Edit: Apparently, Brammofan beat me to the punch.
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The more, the merrier. Nice that Czysz dropping out have Virginia tech a podium. Also, cool for Ely Schless.
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Congratulations to the Brammo/Iconn team. It could have been a fun race with MotoCzysz, but let's hope everybody will be able to race next time.
I also loved seeing the VTECH team on the podium. 8)
Now, I really need to pay them a visit..., maybe borrow the bike for a day or two... ;)
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MotoCzysz was 2s faster in qualifying. Would have been a close race if they had been able to race.
VT team had a transponder dropout for one lap, they also completed 8 laps for 2nd place.
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Ever want to be SteveO's front tire?
Here ya go
Steve Atlas Brammo Icon Qualify Portland TTXGP North American Championship 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt2xKQBYecE&feature=youtube_gdata_player#ws)
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I was at the race today. All bikes finished entered finished. Brammo lapped the Zero's twice over 10 laps. There were four Zeros having a pretty good race. The remaining bikes were spread out. According to the announcer, MotoCzysz didn't get their bike back from IOM until late Friday. Unfortunately the bike is shipped in pieces, so they spent a late night on Friday putting it back together. The bike was set up for IOM, which requires a higher battery capacity with a lower discharge rate than what's required Portland. I heard from someone else that they had some battery issue testing on Saturday.
Note, you can check out www.omrra.com (http://www.omrra.com) to see lap times from previous races to compare with. I think the fastest SV650 times are around 1:16.
Unfortunately my current cheap camera doesn't work well for moving motorcycles. I do have some pit shots that I might post later when I get to me home computer.
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Congrats Brammo... I wish I could have been there to watch because the live feed was not so great. Would be epic to make at least one race this season... here's looking forward to the Empulse shipping next week... and to more Brammo victories! Woot!
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To skuzzel: Cool
Did you have fun at the race?
To EB...shipping next next....tell me more :)
G
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To skuzzel: Cool
Did you have fun at the race?
To EB...shipping next next....tell me more :)
G
Oh, Im just making an assumption based on the June delivery date... sorry, I dont know any more about it that you do... maybe even less :)
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To skuzzle: Cool
Did you have fun at the race?
It was so-so. The weather here was supposed to be on and off rain all weekend. I think that kept a lot of people away, and probably some ICE racers too. It turns out the weather today wasn't bad. The races (ICE included) didn't have much competition. The TTXGP races were just merged into the club races which happen once a month or two. I live about 30 miles away, so it wasn't a big deal to stop by.
I'm thinking of making the trek down to Laguna Seca this year. The Empulse R will be down there according to one of the Brammo folks I talked to.
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That would be great...I'm gonna be at SECA and would love to meet some BrammoForum members. Rooms might be hard to find...I wanted to camp, but SECA buys out all the camping and nothing was left but overflow...did get a room in Salinas, and much cheaper than Monterey. Heck, I would sleep at the track if they let me :).
EmpulseBuyer, are you coming to SECA?
Any body else?
I will be the old guy grinning a lot as I've never been to a motorcycle race before....
Gavin
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I will do my best to make it out there... but I will make Miller Motorsport Park event FOR SURE if I cant make Laguna Seca this year.
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If you can, that would be sweet...we will have to wear Team Brammoevangelista shirts :)
Gavin
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I usually stay in San Jose and ride in. Works well for motorcycles, not so much for cars. Once I went with a rental car. The first 60 miles took an hour, and the last 4 miles took another hour. I did find that taking a GPS was handy finding my white rental after the race ;D
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Is that LFP's death bike? : )
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riding in from Salinas should be nice...12 miles and it is a right hand turn into Seca, which should be better than the left hand turn people make coming from Monterey.
G
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nice photos...dang, SteveO got down to a "street" look FAST! and is that dude in the background carrying a BoomBox on his shoulder? WTH? Suddenly I feel like Im in the 90's...or 80's...
:)
G
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ha, ok, i'm an idiot...
A camera, not a boombox...still it was funny in my head for a while..
now off to finish my blog post...gawd I suck at wordpress...I need a WYSIWUG program that is basically idiot proof.
sigh
Gavin
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I will do my best to make it out there... but I will make Miller Motorsport Park event FOR SURE if I cant make Laguna Seca this year.
I thought about Miller, but SECA sounded a bit more fun, a lot more people.
Hey Proto, I know it's hella FAR, but it would rock if you could make it....
Gavin
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I might be interviewing at Apple soon. Cupertino is 80 miles from Laguna Seca. I wonder if I could work in the interview in late July.. : )
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Do IT!!
See if they will ship your Zero of the interview too :)
Gavin
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Is that LFP's death bike? : )
I don't know the story with that bike. I think I saw it earlier in the back of the Zero van.
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http://www.joncurrierphotography.com/Motorcycles/empty/OMRRA-6-23-24-2012/23774479_2tH2Bj# (http://www.joncurrierphotography.com/Motorcycles/empty/OMRRA-6-23-24-2012/23774479_2tH2Bj#)!i=1927842264&k=xdt2rZz&lb=1&s=A
beautiful
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8020/7449002674_58814cc34e_z.jpg)
I want:
That Dash.
That Helmet (though likely bigger).
Good to see Brammo and SteveO are running the Number 1, and not getting superstitious after the start of the season.
Gavin
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For only a small sum of money the dash can be yours:
http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=789.msg4860#msg4860 (http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=789.msg4860#msg4860)
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ok...maybe just a vinyl sticker of that dash attached to the "affordable" display....
Gavin
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Have they already announced the Brammovangelist? Maybe you can ask them for a Plus with the dash. Or if the give you the Plus, you will probably have enough money left for the dash...
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http://green.autoblog.com/2012/07/11/brammo-empulse-rr-hangs-with-racing-bikes-at-racetrack/ (http://green.autoblog.com/2012/07/11/brammo-empulse-rr-hangs-with-racing-bikes-at-racetrack/)
nice video here....
Gavin