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Brammo Empulse / Re: Battery Diagnostics error message "The battery type could not be detected..."
« Last post by Brammofan on March 02, 2025, 05:39:02 PM »Really appreciate your contributions to the forum, Korbin. 
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Brammo Empulse / Re: Battery Diagnostics error message "The battery type could not be detected..."
« Last post by Korbin Dallas on March 02, 2025, 05:31:06 PM »Yes. if you could just charge each battery separately it might help to see if you have one bad cell. bring them all up to the same voltage as close as possible then see if the qualification test runs. you could run the qual test now on the one that has voltage and see if the test registers the voltage .
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Brammo Empulse / Re: Battery Diagnostics error message "The battery type could not be detected..."
« Last post by ways_ahead on March 02, 2025, 11:10:07 AM »Currently I am a bit reluctant to disassemble the battery modules from the bike. So I just disconnected the big plug between the upper and the lower batteries and connected my power supply directly to module 4. The voltage of module 4 was 0 in the beginning. I set the power supply to constant current 0.5 A and startet charging. The voltage slowly went up. After about 15 minutes I set the constant current to 1 A. Now after about 2 hours the voltage is 8.5 V and still 1 A.
I will stop charging for today, don't want to charge without monitoring it. I'll continue in the next days whenever I find the time to stay near it.
My strategy for now is to bring module 4 up to 14 or 15 V and then connect the battery diag sw to see if it works. If yes, I might charge modules 1-3 at the same time in series with 0.5 > 1 > maybe up to 3 A. And then the lower modules.
Is that a good plan?
I will stop charging for today, don't want to charge without monitoring it. I'll continue in the next days whenever I find the time to stay near it.
My strategy for now is to bring module 4 up to 14 or 15 V and then connect the battery diag sw to see if it works. If yes, I might charge modules 1-3 at the same time in series with 0.5 > 1 > maybe up to 3 A. And then the lower modules.
Is that a good plan?
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Brammo Empulse / Re: Battery Diagnostics error message "The battery type could not be detected..."
« Last post by ways_ahead on March 01, 2025, 10:37:38 AM »Thanks, I'll try that and post the result.
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Brammo Empulse / Re: Battery Diagnostics error message "The battery type could not be detected..."
« Last post by Korbin Dallas on March 01, 2025, 10:34:17 AM »Sorry I missed that. Yes you should try and charge a single battery on the empulse I would bring it up slowly. Maybe 1 amp for a while to see if it will charge a little. Have to step away for a bit. I will check back with you
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Brammo Empulse / Re: Battery Diagnostics error message "The battery type could not be detected..."
« Last post by ways_ahead on March 01, 2025, 10:28:47 AM »I charged the Empulse R to 100% yesterday. Today when I ran the diagnosis the charger was not connected and the bike was switched off.
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Brammo Empulse / Re: Battery Diagnostics error message "The battery type could not be detected..."
« Last post by Korbin Dallas on March 01, 2025, 10:25:47 AM »On the empulse R have you left the charger plugged in and let the cells balance? On the dash when plugged in and charging. Push the two buttons at once and it will show the cells balancing. It will take many hours for it to balance and it will show 100 % charged. I don
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Brammo Empulse / Re: Battery Diagnostics error message "The battery type could not be detected..."
« Last post by ways_ahead on March 01, 2025, 10:23:51 AM »I did that, see 2 posts up 08:10:45 AM.
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Brammo Empulse / Re: Battery Diagnostics error message "The battery type could not be detected..."
« Last post by Korbin Dallas on March 01, 2025, 10:19:17 AM »Please try one battery module at a time. Disconnect the communication cables from the top of the battery then connect only your adapter to the top of the battery. Then when you connect the software only th battery you are connected to will be highlighted. You can run the quality test then. And post what it says.
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Brammo Empulse / Re: Battery Diagnostics error message "The battery type could not be detected..."
« Last post by ways_ahead on March 01, 2025, 09:54:06 AM »Update:
To verify that my setup works I connected it to my healthy Empulse R. And it worked :-).
This is the log of the qualification test:
15:30:14 Qualification: Test Start
PASS: cell voltage tests, min allowed volts = ,3,000000, max allowed volts = ,4,200000
PASS: cell imbalance test, max cell imbalance (mV) = ,15,000000
PASS: module 1, SOC % = ,97, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,85,10
PASS: module 2, SOC % = ,96, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,84,62
PASS: module 3, SOC % = ,97, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,85,46
PASS: module 4, SOC % = ,98, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,85,61
PASS: module 5, SOC % = ,97, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,85,35
PASS: module 6, SOC % = ,96, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,84,75
PASS: module 7, SOC % = ,97, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,84,88
PASS: pack charge imbalance % = ,2, max allowed imbalance % = ,10,000000
PASS: status bits test
FAIL: pack imbalance = ,46,000000, mV, max pack imbalance = ,30,000000, mV
PASS: max cell temperature test, max allowed cell temp (C) = ,60,000000
PASS: max cell differential test, max temperature differential allowed (C) = ,4,000000
PASS: reference temperature difference test, max allowed temp difference (C) = ,5,000000
PASS: module humidity test, min humidity (%) = ,5,000000, max humidity (%) = ,90,000000
PASS: humidity reading mismatch = ,18,000000,%, max allowed mismatch = ,30,000000,%
PASS: comm faults test
PASS: fuse state OK
PASS: all configuration parameters the same
FAIL: module 1, avg. current reading (A) = ,-2,733333, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 2, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,588889, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 3, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,500000, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 4, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,111111, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 5, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,233333, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 6, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,488889, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 7, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,544444, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
15:30:37 Qualification test failed.
There are some fails I can't explain. Maybe the heaters are on?
Here I have Comm Firmware 5.01.03, BMP Firmware 0x12E4 and BMP Configuration 95498989 D.03.
The dead Empulse shows Comm Firmware 5.00.95, BMP Firmware 0x0000 and BMP Configuration empty.
I guess I have to separate one of the empty modules, charge it and try again. Any other ideas?
To verify that my setup works I connected it to my healthy Empulse R. And it worked :-).
This is the log of the qualification test:
15:30:14 Qualification: Test Start
PASS: cell voltage tests, min allowed volts = ,3,000000, max allowed volts = ,4,200000
PASS: cell imbalance test, max cell imbalance (mV) = ,15,000000
PASS: module 1, SOC % = ,97, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,85,10
PASS: module 2, SOC % = ,96, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,84,62
PASS: module 3, SOC % = ,97, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,85,46
PASS: module 4, SOC % = ,98, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,85,61
PASS: module 5, SOC % = ,97, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,85,35
PASS: module 6, SOC % = ,96, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,84,75
PASS: module 7, SOC % = ,97, max allowed SOC % = ,100,00, min allowed SOC % = ,84,88
PASS: pack charge imbalance % = ,2, max allowed imbalance % = ,10,000000
PASS: status bits test
FAIL: pack imbalance = ,46,000000, mV, max pack imbalance = ,30,000000, mV
PASS: max cell temperature test, max allowed cell temp (C) = ,60,000000
PASS: max cell differential test, max temperature differential allowed (C) = ,4,000000
PASS: reference temperature difference test, max allowed temp difference (C) = ,5,000000
PASS: module humidity test, min humidity (%) = ,5,000000, max humidity (%) = ,90,000000
PASS: humidity reading mismatch = ,18,000000,%, max allowed mismatch = ,30,000000,%
PASS: comm faults test
PASS: fuse state OK
PASS: all configuration parameters the same
FAIL: module 1, avg. current reading (A) = ,-2,733333, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 2, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,588889, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 3, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,500000, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 4, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,111111, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 5, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,233333, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 6, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,488889, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
FAIL: module 7, avg. current reading (A) = ,-3,544444, max allowed avg. (A) = ,0,200000, min allowed avg. (A) = ,-0,200000
15:30:37 Qualification test failed.
There are some fails I can't explain. Maybe the heaters are on?
Here I have Comm Firmware 5.01.03, BMP Firmware 0x12E4 and BMP Configuration 95498989 D.03.
The dead Empulse shows Comm Firmware 5.00.95, BMP Firmware 0x0000 and BMP Configuration empty.
I guess I have to separate one of the empty modules, charge it and try again. Any other ideas?