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Brammo Rubs It In
« on: March 09, 2011, 02:46:42 PM »
Just posted on the Brammo website:

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Feeling sorry for you Californians.  :o
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Re: Brammo Rubs It In
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 05:15:00 PM »
Feeling sorry for you Californians.  :o
In Europe we would be more then happy to pay that price :-(
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Re: Brammo Rubs It In
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 10:36:04 AM »
In Vancouver BC, I'm paying $1.30 per litre. 1 gallon = ~ 4 litres.

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Re: Brammo Rubs It In
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 01:34:26 PM »
Yeah, I imagine that Brammos will be hugely popular abroad where gas is twice as much as it is here and motorcycles are much more popular as a means of everyday transportation. Here in the states motorcycles are used for mainly for recreation. Hopefully people will start to change their minds when gas is >4/gal.

Dont hate me for saying this but I welcome higher gas prices... it will get more motorcycles on the road, and it certainly wont hurt demand for Brammo's products, which may get them into production sooner.

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Re: Brammo Rubs It In
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 02:19:42 PM »
Hopefully people will start to change their minds when gas is >4/gal.

That's not going to happen. Here in Holland, unleaded is €1,70 per liter now: so a lot more than $4/gallon (closer to $8 if I'm not totally miscalculating?!). Everyone's still driving their stationwagons and SUV's like it's free.

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Re: Brammo Rubs It In
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2011, 04:20:26 PM »
Hopefully people will start to change their minds when gas is >4/gal.

That's not going to happen. Here in Holland, unleaded is €1,70 per liter now: so a lot more than $4/gallon (closer to $8 if I'm not totally miscalculating?!). Everyone's still driving their stationwagons and SUV's like it's free.
Sure, but how does that compare to typical consumer prices in the two markets?

In the US for example, bread is $1-2/loaf. Milk is $3/gal, approximately.

An Audi A4 2.0 TFSI starts at $32k. Taxes typically add 4-6%, so you're looking at $34k out-the-door.

$3.85/gal (requires premium unleaded, similar to typical EU gas) = $1.02/liter, or approximately 33.3k liters equivalent to the cost of the car.

In the Netherlands, an Audi A4 2.0 TFSI starts at €40k, and a quick wiki check shows a 45% tax on new vehicles, so out-the-door price around €58k.

€1,70/liter is approximately 34k liters equivalent to the cost of the car.

A single point comparison isn't very useful, but hopefully it illustrates that a straight comparison of EU fuel prices to US fuel prices based on current conversion rates is too simple.
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Re: Brammo Rubs It In
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2011, 09:50:19 PM »
One of the many reasons I have two electric vehicles on order. Here's a station near my house.

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Re: Brammo Rubs It In
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2011, 09:14:05 AM »
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That's not going to happen. Here in Holland, unleaded is €1,70 per liter now: so a lot more than $4/gallon (closer to $8 if I'm not totally miscalculating?!). Everyone's still driving their stationwagons and SUV's like it's free.

I see the same thing where I live here in central California - people are STILL buying brand-new SUVs. AND they drive them as if they were sports cars, i.e. fast acceleration (waste), speeding (waste), passing people that are driving the speed limit (waste AND RUDE), etc. There appears to be very little common sense... if any.

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2011, 09:40:17 AM »
Twice this year I have been passed in my lane by a pick-up truck while riding my motorcycle on the freeway at 70 mph.  :o  Apparently California drivers are taking up the spirit of lane sharing in a big way and are not going to let a little motorcycle slow them down when they want to go well over the speed limit while getting 10 mph at the same time. No one seems to care about the price of gas around here. It is just something that falls out of the sky - just like drivers licenses.
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Re: Brammo Rubs It In
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2011, 10:13:02 AM »
Perhaps I'm cynical, but I don't think that people are going to cut down on their gas usage until there is an alternative that people really want.

A colleague was telling me that he doesn't look at gas prices when he buys gas. Since he needs that gas to get to work, and the prices between pumps is not that different anyway, so he just buys gas at the first pump he sees when he's empty. (Perhaps he's a minority, since websites like GasBuddy work so well because so many people are interested in lower gas prices.)

Down in Florida, where I live, I am a little amazed that BP still has gas stations, given the huge mess that they caused on our west coast. Even more amazing is that their gas is usually more expensive that surrounding stations, and yet people still go there. :o Is there anything that a gas company cannot get away with? Environmental disasters, monster profits while everyone else is in recession, pollution, ... nobody seems to care.

Clearly you're not going to get people away from their addiction to gas, unless you can get them addicted to something else. Sell them on the advantages of electric that people are really excited about; "100% torque at 0 mph" seems to be a much better selling point than "less noise, less pollution, less maintenance, less war, save the planet." ::) Otherwise, the next time the price of gas drops down to $1.60 (which it did in late 2008), people will just go right back to gas. :-\
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Re: Brammo Rubs It In
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2011, 05:03:15 PM »
I don't think that gas will ever be that low again, but I do believe that a lot of people in the US think that it will and perception is more important than reality - especially when you want to buy a really big vehicle that will make you feel important and intimating when driving on the road.   ::)
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Re: Brammo Rubs It In
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2011, 06:36:45 PM »
I think that previous gas price spikes have desensitized American motorists to high gas costs.  I think when they spiked after Katrina, there was a short period of time when some people decreased their driving.  And maybe each large spike (+25 cents) makes a few drivers a bit more efficient.  But for the most part, I think a lot of people just buy it, burn it, and don't change anything. . . except, perhaps, the amount of debt they carry on their credit cards.
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