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machone

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Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« on: May 16, 2012, 02:50:33 AM »
I know other threads have covered this and I've said it before but I think it's worth going over again.
 
I think Brammo have the marketing for the Empulse all wrong, certainly for Europe and here's why:
 
Thanks to very technically astute people on this forum and elsewhere we know that the technology is the best in production but still not on a level with mid or high end sport ICE bikes. We KNOW this. However, we don't know exactly where it will be placed in terms of comparison. This is mistake number one, and it is a big one IMHO.
 
We should know EXACTLY where to place this bike in terms of ICE performance and Brammo should have done the comparison before releasing it to the press. That way, the comparison debate would be over before it starts and people could focus on the fantastic technology that enables this bike to be the leader amongst the electric offerings in terms of both range and speed. The Empulse is amazing - it has the best range and speed available in electric motorbikes, without a massive price jump, and it looks great and can carry two people. Show me another electric bike in that price bracket to do that? – there isn’t one.

However, interviews with the CEO continue to play, comparing the bike with Triumphs and Ducatis. The re-sellers are mentioning RSV4 in the same sentence. This is all pure fantasy. Even some forum members deny the fact that this bike is not as fast as the ICE bikes that Brammo would like it compared with. It's great that National pride has been stirred and people are behind the company but this isn't a 'back yard outfit' with no sales; it has international partners and major government contracts abroad. It's odd that in the launch speech CB said some feedback was fantasy, denying the laws of physics, when his own marketing interviews and re-sellers are peddling the same junk. These are intelligent people and so I don't believe it can be put down to hopeful thinking or ignorance. It is deliberate marketing of the lousy kind.

Whilst I don't feel I have 'had my face spat in', I also don't think it is 'mean spirited' to be critical of the way the consumer was and still is being misled about the capabilities of this product. To think so is akin to those people who stomp on children in their rush for one of the first cabbage patch dolls. It's obsessional and frankly unhealthy.

Most bikers I have contact with are practical down to earth people. There are those who love to dress up and wheelie at every light before doing 200mph on public roads but their licences and lives tend not to last long. In the main, the people I know who ride do it for fun or to get to and from work cheaply. All share the sense of community it brings, probably borne out of a shared suffering of inconsiderate 'cagers' and inconsiderate weather. They like technical figures and practical comparisons. Most like tinkering with their bikes to either fix or upgrade. All accept the limitations of their vehicles and very few seem to be in denial of it's individual shortcomings. They like to call a 'spade a spade'.

So please, Brammo, you've got a great spade, stop digging and pretending Rossi and Hayden are bursting to get their hands on your new superbike and it's fancy forks. We don't think we're going to be jumped on by a Brammo bikini girl because we're riding an odd sounding two wheeled golf cart.
Just sell us this great looking, practical and cheap to run leader in it's field and do it quickly!
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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2012, 04:03:57 AM »
Well, everyone knows what I think about Brammo's communication department, but for what it is worth, I think you are right. Brammo's entire communication (marketing, PR, advertising, etc.) is not really focused. They shoot themselves in the foot with very basic things over and over again. It doesn't seem that they have a solid and cohesive strategic plan to address all the issues you raised (plus the issues people keep raising in many different websites). The most amazing is that they seem to have a great customer service department, but the marketing and customer service seem completely disconnected. 
They keep alienating potential clients and people who could be making their lives easier (or even helping promote the bikes) by sending out conflicting messages and they are not really positioning themselves to avoid problems. Actually, I think they are doing the very opposite.
To compare the Empulse R to any Ducati at this point is asking reasonable ICE riders to laugh and move on. The pricing put them in a tough spot that could have been avoided with solid communication. If they had clearly positioned themselves based on their strengths and not their failure, they wouldn't have to be explaining themselves and hearing so many people complain. They created too much expectation in the wrong way and keep doing so even after they failed to deliver on that expectation.
If they sell the Empulse for what it actually is, a good-looking, top-notch, electric motorcycle that can perform almost as well as concept elmotos that cost more than double its price, and compare its performance to "fun to ride" entry-level ICE's like the Ninja 250R, they would have met and surpassed most expectations. Nobody would complain or dismiss it. People who are interested would praise it and people who are not would take it for what it is and not go out of their way to point out all the flaws, especially in comparison to a Ducati.
Framing a brand or product is both an art and a science and can't be taken lightly. Brammo needs to take control of the communication process not by hiding information until the last minute, but by providing a very constant and cohesive stream of information. Honestly, as I said before, I believe many people in this forum are doing that much better than the professional communicators at Brammo. I have seen protomech, Empulsebuyer, and Brammofan literally "schooling" people about the actual purpose of the Empulse in other sites. That purpose should be clear in every piece of communication, especially Craig's interviews. People who are confused by the bike and see no good explanation coming from the published articles will tend to make their own assumptions and that's usually detrimental in any business.
Summarizing, as I said before, Brammo needs a specialist in risk communication and strategic planning in charge of the whole marketing effort. I know they are relatively a small company and those specialist are not cheap, but that's a priority once you go global. I hope they can get one sooner rather than later (or ask Polaris for help). And I also hope the overall quality of the Empulse will help them survive the first bumps, but there is a lot that we need to see from the reviews. If the magazine reviewers go in thinking it's going to be a Ducati or a Triumph, I expect to see a lot more of the kind of reviews those guys from Hell For Leather did on the Zero http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=1270.0.

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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2012, 04:19:01 AM »
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I also don't think it is 'mean spirited' to be critical of the way the consumer was and still is being misled about the capabilities of this product.

I think that the very fact we came to this forum (and not other sites) to point out what we see that needs to be fixed is evidence of good intention. Only saying good things about everything doesn't help Brammo (or anyone for that matter) evolve as a company. Good supporters need to be the first ones to point out any problems exactly so they can be addressed before the detractors can use them against the brand.

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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2012, 04:30:44 AM »
I think the comparisons to Ducati and Tiger make a contextual sense.  Within the world of electric motorcycles, this model is to the field of existing models what a Ducati monster is to the general IC bike world.  It's more "the Ducati Monster of the ebike world", but not "just like a Monster, but electric".  Perhaps their mistake is in assuming that everyone who is listening hears an implicit "as much as an electric motorcycle can be" in every statement?
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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2012, 05:21:41 AM »
Hi flar,

I see what you're saying but in the electric bike context I'd say the Empulse was higher than that at this time. Name me another Production electric bike that could be placed above it?

Also, listen to this interview from 55 seconds in and I don't think there can be any confusion as to the implied context:

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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2012, 05:29:24 AM »
Well said Ninja.

Due to my previous lack of knowledge of the subject, before the launch I too was taken in by the thought of a Monster like electric bike for under 15000.

I don't believe any of the hype or figures now and will wait to ride it before I buy it. Trust lost and if the bike doesn't come up with the goods, possibly a sale lost too.
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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2012, 02:58:56 PM »
Using the same Marketing logic you could compare a Nissan Leaf to a Nissan 370Z because there is only a $5k price difference.

I think the performance of the Empulse is at a critical point.  I don't care if it's as fast as a SV650, but I really do care if its performance is close to a Ninja 250 (I'm not saying that it is).  The whole story about the bike is that it is motorcycle "without compromise".  I think that's open to debate.  We know the 0-60 speed and the top-end, but we have no idea what happens in between.  This bike is not the Tesla of motorcycles.  The Tesla is faster than the average car, not the other way around.  It also has decent range.

I think the bigger marketing issue for Brammo is do they really know who there target market is?  The price removes most 20-somethings.  The range removes many canyon carvers and touring types.  So does it make sense to design the bike against Ducati's, and other high end bikes?  Is your market segment into "street fighter" style bikes?  Can you really compare the looks of a naked bike filled with batteries to a something like Ducati Monster where all the motor bits are visible?  Can you compare it against smooth race bike look alike such as the Panigale or R1 on looks alone?  If this is a commuter, then what does that market need?

Frankly I think in their quest for secrecy they missed opportunities for input.  I'm sure there are people on this forum who would sign a non disclosure agreement and give input.  It doesn't seem like the number of preorders haven't risen much since the public release.  I think they know they are in trouble.

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Re: Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2012, 03:16:09 PM »
You guys may be on to something. But before I throw Brammo under the bus, could you share your   CVs with us? Depending on your education and experience in the motorcycle or EV or automobile or a related industry, I might give your opinions more weight than those of Brammo.

If you've been involved with a company that has gotten investor funding from someone roughly the size of Polaris, that would help, too.
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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2012, 03:46:51 PM »
I agree with flar @ the Ducati Monster example. It's more an example of where the Empulse is positioned within the electric bike market. Compare "the Ducati of electric bikes" vs "an electric Ducati". The former is where Brammo seems to want to be.

The Tesla Roadster is roughly five times as expensive as a typical new car ($120k, $24k).

The Empulse is less expensive than a typical new car, and is maybe 2x as expensive as a typical new bike ($8-10k).

"without compromise" is marketing-ese, certainly the Empulse still has all the fundamental compromises of an EV. The J1772 onboard charger and the transmission do eliminate some of the larger compromises (recharge time in the field and top speed vs acceleration) that have come with every production electric bike to date, including the 2012 Zero bikes.
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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2012, 04:11:46 PM »
The Tesla Roadster is roughly five times as expensive as a typical new car ($120k, $24k).

The Empulse is less expensive than a typical new car, and is maybe 2x as expensive as a typical new bike ($8-10k).
How do you determine "typical" there?  The comparison I've seen for the Roadster compares it to its IC equivalent which would be the Lotus (forget which model) from which its body was adapted.  The typical ratio is more like 2x for that, and I believe it outperforms the Lotus.

Tesla Model S is much harder to peg down, but they seem to be comparing it to BMW 5 series since it fits there due to price and roughly in terms of features (though the jury is out on predicting the general luxuriousness of the final cabins of the S).  Since it has a full range of prices from 50K to 100K, you can easily find a car that it sits with in terms of price (just like there are IC bikes at the same price point as the Empulse, but they tend to be radically different in terms of performance and style).

The Empulse is brand new so it wasn't adapted from a particular IC.  It's "like" a Monster in many ways, naked performance-ish-oriented sporty standard, but it's far from a very good fit - but it is a very iconic bike that makes an easily accessible comparison.  The Monster would outperform the Empulse on many power related stats, but if a Zero can nearly topple a 200HP IC bike in 40-60, then the Empulse is going to embarrass the Monster in quite a few categories.  Handling remains TBD.  It is around 2x the price of the lowest Monster.
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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2012, 04:32:55 PM »
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You guys may be on to something. But before I throw Brammo under the bus, could you share your   CVs with us? Depending on your education and experience in the motorcycle or EV or automobile or a related industry, I might give your opinions more weight than those of Brammo.

If you've been involved with a company that has gotten investor funding from someone roughly the size of Polaris, that would help, too.

You're probably right if the only market Brammo plans to sell to is venture capitalist and motorcycle designers. Otherwise, I think my software engineering background is good enough to come up with personal opinions about the Empulse features, looks, and if it's worth $19k of my money.

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2012, 04:34:50 PM »
Tacking in a slightly different direction: I found this article to add context to our current thread:

http://backmarker-bikewriter.blogspot.com/2012/05/what-innovators-dilemma-has-to-tell-us.html?spref=tw

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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2012, 12:07:00 PM »
Good article. I agree with Protomech that it doesn't always hold true.

I am still confused about where the Empulse fits either in the electric bike world or the ICE bike world? I don't agree with Protomech or flar about it being the Ducati of the electric bike world because there's nothing faster(in production), nothing rated for 2 seats and nothing looking similar. It could just be ignorance - give me a few other ebikes to compare. Mission don't produce anything, zero are below in performance and don't do 2 seats, they're also a lot cheaper.

I'm not throwing anything under a bus either and please add as little or as much weight as you like. :-\

Don't get me wrong, I am hoping this bike does well. My name is still on the list and despite not knowing how much it will cost me here on the other side of the pond, despite not knowing how fast it goes and despite not knowing when I'll have it, even to within six months... My name is still on the list.

I am annoyed though. The whole nature of pre-ordering requires a certain level of trust. Because of what was being said on this forum and elsewhere I thought I could trust that the product delivered would be, at least similar to what was promised. I still hold out hope that I will be very pleasantly surprised but I am realistic. I don't expect it will 'defy the laws of physics' and I'm not expecting a Ducati or Speed Triple or something cheap........anymore. The fact that I was, I put down to bad marketing, but I could be wrong there as well.
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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2012, 02:50:40 PM »
I am still confused about where the Empulse fits either in the electric bike world or the ICE bike world? I don't agree with Protomech or flar about it being the Ducati of the electric bike world because there's nothing faster(in production), nothing rated for 2 seats and nothing looking similar. It could just be ignorance - give me a few other ebikes to compare. Mission don't produce anything, zero are below in performance and don't do 2 seats, they're also a lot cheaper.
The lightning is way faster (top speed wise, not sure about acceleration), has more highway range and is available for $38k+

There is the Lito Sora, which is still in prototype form, but has projected specs much higher than Empulse and the last I saw a projected price it was north of $50k.

The Zero S is rated for 2 passengers, but the pegs and grab bar are a manufacturer-supplied accessory you have to pay $350 extra for.  So consider that a 2-seat Zero ZF6 is $11,850 and a 2-seat ZF9 is $14,350.  (The pegs have not been released yet because they are working out a new supplier that can supply rounded pegs for comfort, but it is rated for 2 passengers.)
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Re: Empulse Marketing Boo Boo
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2012, 09:56:02 PM »
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/promo/25k-miles.php?utm_source=zero-db&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=25k%2BMiles%2BEmail

Zero seems to be embracing (and enjoying) their marketing positioning ever more. After they disclosed their very impressive growth in sales in comparison to the previous year, now they are even giving stuff away...

Zero seems to be doing a great job in getting the higher middle class and, therefore, selling many more motorcycles. With the overall win in the TTXGP, they must be very happy over there.

As we haven't heard a lot about the Enertia Plus, I would think that, after making sure the Empulse hit its higher-end buyers, Brammo will come up with a different plan for the Plus. It would make sense to use the Plus to "compete" more directly with the Zero's motorcycles for that urban upper-middle-class market.