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katacrak

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problems: second gear up to third
« on: December 18, 2015, 06:37:15 PM »
Hello, I have problems lately with the gearbox, when I have to climb from second to third, especially with the cold engine. Has always been a little delicate move from second to third but is now almost impossible, I have many dead spots, and I can not go up to third gear. 11600 kms bike tine. last oil change to 9600 kms. 10w 30 castrol.Someone can give me some advice or solution?

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problems: second gear up to third
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2015, 06:47:35 PM »
When you hold the clutch, can you rev the motor?
In other words does the clutch fully open the plates?
My bike needs some time to warm up and get the clutch to fully open.

Is it a mineral oil that u used?
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Re: problems: second gear up to third
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2015, 11:23:26 PM »
I've never had that issue, but certainly checking out the clutch sounds like a good place to start.

The fact that it's worse when it's cold sounds like you may want to try another oil. I've been using the one my local dealer recommended: Motorex 10W/30- 2T+4T synthetic gear oil. I won't say it has transformed the clunky Italian box into a snicky Honda one, but it shifts reliably.

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Re: problems: second gear up to third
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2015, 03:23:24 AM »
Since I never use the clutch to upshift I'm not sure what relevance it would have to see if the clutch is disengaging.

If it weren't for downshifting where I use the clutch maybe 30% of the time (mostly when I've slowed considerably and need to drop more than 1 gear), I would probably prefer the clutch to be welded together...
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Re: problems: second gear up to third
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2015, 05:48:04 PM »
The oil are sinthetic castrol 10w 30 wet clutch,  always i use de clutch. My problem is only de past de second tu third, I need a lot of strength, is more stress for mi every time. Neutral point is the problem, I do not understand why there.




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Re: problems: second gear up to third
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2015, 01:32:51 AM »
The only problems I have is shifting from 1st to 2nd when it's cold (30F-40F) for the first 2 miles of riding.  I have never had any issues with 2nd to 3rd.  I use Royal Purple Max-Cycle SAE 10W-30.  The bike has just under 15000 miles.

When you hold the clutch, can you rev the motor?
In other words does the clutch fully open the plates?
My bike needs some time to warm up and get the clutch to fully open.

The bike will move forward if you rev the motor while holding the clutch.  This is true even after riding 10+ miles in warm weather.

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Re: problems: second gear up to third
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2015, 04:46:43 AM »
I never have to use the clutch on upshifts even 2nd -> 3rd.  I'd suspect a problem in the transmission.

The coldest I've ridden, though, would be 50F - maybe some upper 40s on occasion...
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Re: problems: second gear up to third
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2015, 12:44:47 PM »
I think is necesary all the time, activate the clutch for maintain the garanty.
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Re: problems: second gear up to third
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2015, 02:26:41 PM »
I've also had some extra resistance between 2nd and 3rd but you have to remember this is where N is. A few things that can help:

Make sure you keep up with the oil changes  (I know it's obvious).

Depending on the age of your bike flush/bleed the clutch line.

Make sure there isn't excessive play in your shift linkage (and that a bolt isn't loose, don't ask how I know this ;)).


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Re: problems: second gear up to third
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2015, 06:45:58 PM »

The gearshift have mecanical problems....
« Last Edit: April 30, 2016, 07:14:56 AM by katacrak »