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B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« on: March 20, 2016, 02:07:35 PM »
This error popped up on my ride today. Module 6 does not appear to be discharging. I had two 10 mile trips today (out and back), and it looks like it stopped about half way during the first ride as I pulled onto the interstate (20kw power output for about 5 minutes or so), with about 90%. By the time I got home, it had dropped to about 85%, while the rest of the pack was down to about 60%.

It looks like the battery started acting up on my ride home from work on Friday, but not enough to trigger the error. I pulled a couple other logs, and it otherwise appears to be normal, so this is a new problem.

Here's the log from Friday:

Here's the log going out today:

Here's the log coming home today:


To add some more context, I didn't ride the bike at all from early May last year until the end of February (broken back, then broken arm...). It was stored the hole time with SOC over 90%, and I did do a couple of top-off charges throughout the storage period, but generally it was left unplugged. Since I started riding I have ran it down to 5% and then let it it balance for about 36 hours, and have brought it down below 20% a about three times.

Has this happened to anyone else? What was the cause and the solution?
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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2016, 03:29:04 PM »
Leave it plugged in to balance those batteries

What program is that?

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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2016, 03:32:04 PM »
The program is "Enspector" which someone on the forum created.

Do you think it's a balance issue? They were balanced at the start.
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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 08:36:25 AM »
This has been the weirdest charging session I've experienced. To start, it appeared to be charging at 0 amps, with the fan blowing on the charger. It went up to about 66%, but since it did not appear to be charging, I unplugged and replugged in the EVSE. Fan turned right back on, but still at 0 amps. So I let it sit. When I went to bed ~8 hours later it was still showing 0 amps, but the display was showing ~85% SOC. I unplugged again, and replugged and it and it went to 99%. I let it sit all night. In the morning it was down to 96%.  After getting ready for work it had fallen to 95%. It's still being charged now as I decided to drive in rather than risk driving home with an extremely unbalanced pack. The B55 error did display for a while, but went away during the charge session (I think even when the SOC was sitting at 66%).

I wonder if this is the cell balancing working. Is it taking charge from the full module and transmitting to the empty modules, with no charge coming from the charger? I suppose it's better to have a balanced battery at a low SOC than a battery that appears full, in case the bike is taken for a ride. But why is the SOC jumping around? I'd be curious to see how the anomaly in module 6 is effecting the assumed SOC.

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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2016, 10:16:48 AM »
The program is "Enspector" which someone on the forum created.

Do you think it's a balance issue? They were balanced at the start.

Yes I do. It doesn't matter that months ago they were balanced, you let it sit and the batteries have a very slight self-discharge. Looks like one is higher than the rest. Also, they're balanced within a percentage of eachother, and after time they will go slightly out of balance.

Leave it plugged in, and the balancers will do their jobs.

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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2016, 10:38:29 AM »
This has been the weirdest charging session I've experienced. To start, it appeared to be charging at 0 amps, with the fan blowing on the charger. It went up to about 66%, but since it did not appear to be charging, I unplugged and replugged in the EVSE. Fan turned right back on, but still at 0 amps. So I let it sit. When I went to bed ~8 hours later it was still showing 0 amps, but the display was showing ~85% SOC. I unplugged again, and replugged and it and it went to 99%. I let it sit all night. In the morning it was down to 96%.  After getting ready for work it had fallen to 95%. It's still being charged now as I decided to drive in rather than risk driving home with an extremely unbalanced pack. The B55 error did display for a while, but went away during the charge session (I think even when the SOC was sitting at 66%).

I wonder if this is the cell balancing working. Is it taking charge from the full module and transmitting to the empty modules, with no charge coming from the charger? I suppose it's better to have a balanced battery at a low SOC than a battery that appears full, in case the bike is taken for a ride. But why is the SOC jumping around? I'd be curious to see how the anomaly in module 6 is effecting the assumed SOC.

That one group is higher than the others, so likely charging won't start.

They don't transmit charge from one to the lower cells, that is not how most BMS work. They basically put a resistor across the top of the battery and turn it on/off to basically burn energy and bring that cell down.

The BMS in the Empulse only works while charging if I recall correctly.

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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2016, 11:50:50 AM »
It's still not charging. I've had to unplug it a few times to move stuff around the garage, and each time it would revert back to 99% when I would plug it back in. The SOC would then slowly drop. I haven't touched it since Tuesday afternoon, and as of this morning it was down to 76%, with the B55 error displayed on the dash again (the error was not there when I first plugged it in on Tuesday). It's been cold here, so I assume most of the drop is caused by the cell heaters.

One of my local Victory dealers has the new Empulse in stock, but they have not received any training or the hardware for servicing the new bikes. Hopefully they will get brought up to speed quickly if my problem doesn't go away on its own soon.

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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2016, 06:05:36 PM »
I left a voicemail at Brammo Service this afternoon. Hopefully they will give me some direction. Still no luck after it sat on charge for more than a week. From Tuesday until just now it was plugged in, and it had dropped to 47% SOC. I unplugged and replugged it in for a few seconds just to see what the indicated SOC would do. Back to 99%. Here are the graphs of the charging sessions. Again, module 6 dropped while every other module appeared to be acting relatively normal.

Chart from Tuesday through today:


Here's what it looked like when I re-plugged it on:


I think I'm going to leave it unplugged for now. I'm actually worried about it over discharging with it plugged in since it is running the heaters but does not appear to be drawing anything off the wall. No power faults on the dash or the EVSE, either. As mentioned previously, the B55 error was displayed starting a few days ago.
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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2016, 11:17:03 PM »
That's weird, let us know what it is.

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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2016, 04:04:31 PM »
I swung by the dealer today to see how things were going. They have been able to scan the bike, and have determined that the cell module was bad. They are still waiting for Polaris to tell them what to do. The parts are not available from Polaris yet.

I'll be sad if I don't get to ride at all this summer. I missed all of last year due to injury, and was really looking forward to getting back on the horse.  :'(
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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2016, 01:48:22 PM »
I opened a ticket with Polaris since there didn't seem to be any movement at the dealer, and they thought Polaris would go faster if I called. Polaris called me back last week, and said the dealer was told what to do and things should be moving soon. I talked to the dealer today and they sounded genuinely excited to hear (from me) that things were being worked out in Minnesota. I miss the HD dealer that sold me the bike. 3 Months and counting.  :'(
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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2016, 05:52:37 PM »
I think I'm giving up, and going to pick up the bike this weekend. Polaris opened a ticket, then called me back to tell me the dealer had the info they needed to make the repair. I've called the dealer probably 5 times since then, and can never seem to get to someone that knows anything. The person who knows never calls me back.

My first baby is due in a few weeks. I won't be commuting for a while after she's born and I kind of want to ride the bike at least a little bit this year. I guess I'll ride it until it's dead, then give it back to the dealer.
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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2016, 06:20:04 PM »
I picked the bike back up last Friday, no repairs done. The charged it up to about 85% for me. Gee, thanks. It made it home with no issues - in fact, one of the most efficient rides ever on a SOC% per mile basis I've ever had. Granted it was wet, and my wife was following me home.

I've ridden it to work three days this week, just like normal, no errors displayed. I pulled the log files, and they also appear normal (other than the date is still July 2022) - no difference between module SOC at all. The dealer didn't turn the bike on or charge it at all from the day I dropped it off until 110 days later. Or they deleted the logs, which is unlikely because other logs files are still there from them working on it last week. The battery did get significantly out of balance during that time sitting. But now it appears fine, and is otherwise working just as it did before the issue.

The dealer still thinks it's a battery issue, and I think they are still trying to get a replacement module from Polaris. I'm glad I took it back in the mean time. I am enjoying riding again...a lot.

I don't want to speculate too much, but I suspect that it is not a battery issue, and when they reassembled the bike after doing the diagnostics, whatever bad connection was causing the problem was corrected. I'll still take the new module once it comes in, if it ever comes in.
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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2017, 09:28:24 AM »
Update time since I forwarded this chain to the new dealer working on my bike on this issue...

I road the bike all year this year. Maybe 4,000 miles. I got the error early in the year, but have not seen it since April or so. I have actually been getting Motor and Motor Controller over voltage errors more often now, which is a bigger pain because those errors cut power...and only happen during WOT, like when merging or pulling out in to traffic.

This year the bike felt down on power compared to what I remember. Especially at higher speeds. I would get "recharge battery" warnings with the SOC as high as 55% while cruising at 75 mph if it was under 60*f. Then, on the ride to the dealer this weekend, at 39*f, cruising at 60 mph with the SOC somewhere around 25% (40 miles in, and 2 to go), the bike dropped to 0% and died. I cycled the ignition, made it another mile before it died again. Cycled the ignition again, and coasted the rest of the way in. I'm glad I did not take the interstate to get there - I would have never made it. I wish I could have looked at that drive log!

Being in Chicago, I don't know if I would make the 35 mile round trip during the cold months with the bike in its current state. That would be a bummer because commuting is really the only time I ride the bike now that I have a baby. If the bike won't work when it's under 50*f, that takes away half the year.

The dealer that has it now is a Zero dealer, too, so hopefully they have a bit more incentive to keep early adopters like me happy since we are driving that business. My fingers are crossed!
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Re: B55 Error, SOC Mismatch >30%
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2017, 12:53:28 PM »
I road in last week and as I was heading to work on the highway the power cutout going from around 30% to 0% and "Recharge Required" message. I turned the bike off then back on, and off I went. Went to WOT and boom, same deal. So this next time I went easy on the throttle and eventually made it to work (5 more miles) with no more drama. Before this happened I was feeling a bit of a stutter at WOT. This has actually happened to me before, but at much lower SOC, like at 8-12%, and always in cold weather. Seems to run perfectly >60 degrees though. I have never had any issues charging though.