Author Topic: Tesla sues Top Gear  (Read 1082 times)

Richard230

  • Brammovangelist
  • *****
  • Posts: 2519
    • View Profile
Tesla sues Top Gear
« on: March 30, 2011, 09:34:25 AM »
Tesla says Top Gear faked their "test" of their EV in 2008 and are suing them over the episode.  See the video and read the article here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/mar/30/tesla-sue-top-gear
current bikes: 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2007 BMW R1200R, 2005 Triumph T-100 Bonneville, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.

Brammofan

  • Administrator
  • Brammovangelist
  • *****
  • Posts: 3257
  • Following the momentum of Enertia
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Tesla sues Top Gear
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2011, 09:53:45 AM »
Tesla has a website devoted to the suit:
http://www.teslavstopgear.com/

FUN STUFF!!!

(Sorry, but the combination of an EV enthusiast and lawyer has affected my judgment)  :D
The Brammoforum Wiki is still active: http://www.brammoforum.com/wiki

Gavin

  • Brammovangelist
  • *****
  • Posts: 2652
    • View Profile
    • Sol Power.  BrammoBlog
Re: Tesla sues Top Gear
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 10:49:51 AM »
hey I love top gear...but they are like fox news...for entertainment purposes only...

and they did fake the end of the show...Britain has very strict advertisement and truth and libel laws...Top Gear is going to lose this and lose badly...they probably should work with Tesla to reach an agreement before the courts get involved any further.

Gavin

protomech

  • Brammovangelist
  • *****
  • Posts: 1987
    • View Profile
    • ProtoBlog
Re: Tesla sues Top Gear
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2011, 02:31:46 PM »
I'm a little disappointed to see Tesla go that route. Top Gear misrepresented the car, but it's hardly the first time they've done so - either from the presenter's / writer's honest ignorance or malice. Tesla may win the suit -- and it certainly puts them back into the public eye -- but it seems like it will be a distraction from getting the Model S to production.
1999 Honda VFR800i | 2014 Zero SR
Check out who's near you on frodus's EV owner map!
http://protomech.wordpress.com/

FreepZ

  • Brammovangelist
  • *****
  • Posts: 776
    • View Profile
    • Empulse Experience
    • Email
Re: Tesla sues Top Gear
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2011, 07:13:51 AM »
Watching the video, I think that Top Gear was trying to make the point about the slow recharge time, and had the Tesla running out of juice mid race to add dramatic effect.

I think that's a valid criticism. If I could charge my EV in 10 seconds (or even 5 minutes), then range would not be an issue. And while you could argue that charging can be faster with a high voltage station, there aren't many of those stations available on the road up to Scotland right now, so the trip would indeed require long stops to recharge.

The criticism of the source of the energy is also valid. Currently, most of it does come from polluting power plants, and wind and solar is not a panacea since they have some significant drawbacks.

Top Gear could have gone on to say that for most people, driving under normal conditions, the car will work out fine, and talked about the benefits of a centralized source of pollution from a power plant over the distributed pollution of thousands of cars, but they are not an ecology show, and they do drive their cars fast and hard, and not at all like most people do (or should :P).

Perhaps Top Gear will settle, but perhaps not.

From the article:
"Tesla is sueing the show for libel and malicious falsehood, and says the show misrepresented the car's true range – claiming 55 miles rather than 211 – and that claims a second Roadster on loan had broken brakes was untrue."

Top Gear said "we worked out that, on our track, it would run out after just 55 miles" (4:50 on the video). That sounds believable from what I know about how long batteries last when the EV is operated at high speeds and with hard acceleration. Again, not normal operation for most of us.

Then again in England, right or wrong, it's cheaper to settle a libel accusation then fight it (although that may be changing...).
Richard #935 #595 #44

protomech

  • Brammovangelist
  • *****
  • Posts: 1987
    • View Profile
    • ProtoBlog
Re: Tesla sues Top Gear
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2011, 02:10:24 PM »
"The criticism of the source of the energy is also valid."

It's valid, but sometimes it's used as a drop-and-run argument against EVs. It's true that EVs shift pollution from the tailpipe to the power plant, hopefully located away from residential zones; and it's true that there ain't no such thing as a free energy lunch. Even solar panels require tremendous energy to produce.

If you limit yourself to looking at just CO2, per the US national average CO2 emissions per kwh, the Tesla Roadster is about as efficient as a 35 mpg car, Nissan Leaf is about as efficient as a 40 mpg car, and the Brammo Enertia is about as efficient as a 100 mpg scooter.

Personally, I'd take a Tesla Roadster over a Civic, and I'd take an Enertia over a 50cc scooter. And I'd take an Empulse over a 125cc motorcycle : )
1999 Honda VFR800i | 2014 Zero SR
Check out who's near you on frodus's EV owner map!
http://protomech.wordpress.com/

john

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 20
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Tesla sues Top Gear
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 07:48:36 PM »
A pivotal time in the evolution of transport (and motor-sport)

Top Gear decided to play the safe side of the balance.

This time next year (possibly) only a fool would sing the praises of petroleum.  We are that close to the technological turning point.

On a side note. Top Gear is more comedy than anything else nowadays. People in the UK never tune in to find out about cars... Just to laugh at Clarkson bumbling about been a man going slow round corners because he lacks the skill to keep the back end from loosing traction.

Clarkson - A typical arsehole of his generation.