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BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« on: December 15, 2011, 10:42:30 AM »
Not sure if it's his personal vehicle or if Brammo has purchased this in order to reverse-engineer the range extender  ::) but he posted this on Twitter with the statement: Livin' the full EV lifestyle now!

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2011, 10:51:25 AM »
Nice...It will probably be a year or so before my house goes full EV...

Wife getting the Energi or plug in Prius next year...Me? Not sure which pure EV I will get...Will have to see what comes out in the next year, year and a half. (would love the Fiat 500 EV, but haven't heard much about it lately. Love the Volvo C30 EV, but again, not sure when it will come...nor how much it will be. Could get the Mits I or the Honda Fit EV....Will just have to wait and see what is out in Fall 2012 or Spring 2013.)

In the meantime, well I have put over 700 miles on the Enertia and I'm loving it...Can't wait for the Plus as I want more range to put even more miles on :)

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2011, 11:00:14 AM »
700 miles - very impressive, sir.  No wonder you haven't been posting much here.

I thought you were next in line on the Fisker Karma.
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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2011, 11:49:26 AM »
Ha...pretty car...but I don't know any middle class people that will be buying that car. :)

The Tesla S maybe...but I want small for my commuter/city car. The Mazda 2 might be nice too, but going to be Japan only for a while.

Fiat 500 or Volvo C30 EV would be my first two choices of the cars that are "supposed" to be coming next year.

Mits I and Fit EV would be next in line (though the Fit EV lease-only bugs me a bit...even though leasing isn't a bad idea for early EVs...batteries will change fast and a lease could be a very good deal...just the whole EV1 lease only sticks in my head a bit too much).

The Aptera 2e was my first choice...sadly it...well the Aptera history is too long to write here. It might get revived from bankruptcy, and if it is by Chris Anthony I will be interested again...but I think I've moved on from it some. Still love it, but the big boys will have advantages...more dealers, more service etc etc...

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2011, 10:12:14 PM »
I don't see anybody here talking about Coda. This isn't related to Brammo, but I would be curious to know what you think about that car?
  • More range than a Leaf.
  • Less expensive than a Model S.
  • Californian car company or Chinese Trojan Horse?
  • Concern about the lack of a big company backer (Nissa, Toyota, Polaris)?
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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2011, 10:21:03 PM »
Coda's biggest sin is that it looks so boring and slightly cheap.

Second sin is the combo of startup new company, Chinese and price.

I'll take a Fiat 500 EV, Honda Fit EV, Volvo C30 EV and even a Mits i before a Coda. I'd take an IQ before the Coda. I'd wait for that 2 seater Honda before the Coda.

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 10:19:14 AM »
I would flip the two sins.

Would you be more excited if it had a more premium or exotic look?

Or if it had a big Ford / Honda / GM logo on the front?

Coda's only real claim to fame is that it has a big battery.

Here's Coda's market:
1. People who need a highway-capable EV but will not or cannot buy a Nissan Leaf.
2. People who need more range than the Leaf (say 50-80 miles) but are okay with the Coda's range (say 75-120 miles).
3. People who are okay with paying $5k more than the Leaf for 50% more battery and unknown reliability/support but who are not okay with paying $10k more than the Coda for similar-battery Tesla Model S.

I think the Leaf has picked up the lion's share of the early EV adopters, people that were waiting for an affordable 4+ seat highway-capable EV. I think #1 above is an empty set of people, and #2 and #3 are very small sets.

I'd like to see Coda succeed. Unlike Aptera, they're (supposedly?) starting to ship; like Aptera, they arrived too late. Amateur hour is over, as far as EV cars go. Tesla has a shot at relevance if the Model S is delivered on time and is as good as the previews indicate .. otherwise I suspect they too will be buried.
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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 11:25:04 AM »
Mmmmm, flipping somebodies sins is a sin...I think...sin confuses me somewhat


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Would you be more excited if it had a more premium or exotic look?

Or if it had a big Ford / Honda / GM logo on the front?

Yes to the first sentence. No to the second.

I would be more "comfortable" buying a car from Honda or Ford vs a start up, but that wouldn't stop me...evidence is my 2 plus year deposit I had with Aptera and my place in line for an Enertia. I was hella excited to get an Aptera...sadly that excitement went south...I am excited to buy a Brammo...THAT EXCITEMENT BETTER NOT GO SOUTH!  I don't think it will.

But really the Coda looks like a late 1980's Toyota Corolla. And even in the late 1980's that was not an exciting look. Heck it is hard to get away with a cheap look on a Nissan Sentra or other low price cars of today. Asking 40k for a car that looks like my Grandmother's car from the early 1990's just ain't a huge selling point.

But then I had a deposit for a LEAF and let that pass...I just didn't like the look and while I was waiting for the LEAF I was able to get one of the first 500 Fiat 500's in the country...So I jumped on that. Still if Nissan had made the Altima Coupe into it's first EV I would have jumped on that hella hard. Of if Volvo had actually pushed the C-30 EV out instead of putzing around, I would have that today...that is a pretty car...and functional.

Pretty and functional don't have to be exclusive. It is just harder to do. Coda just looks lazy to me...And that makes we wonder what else is lazy about it besides the looks.

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« Last Edit: December 19, 2011, 11:33:15 AM by Gavin »

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 01:37:01 PM »
Ha...pretty car...but I don't know any middle class people that will be buying that car. :)

It all depends upon where you live.  After federal and state rebates in Colorado, a base Volt goes for about $26,500.  Even with the extra in taxes that have to be paid, this is well within the price range of the same middle class folks who normally buy brand new cars in the first place.

The average brand new car price is actually closer to $30K.  Heck, even the average purchase price for brand new GM's is now $31,627.  That's within less than $1000 dollars of the price of a base Volt with just the federal tax credit.




http://www.road-reality.com/2010/07/15/average-new-car-purchase-price-rises-in-2010/

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 01:47:45 PM »
I was replying to Brammofan's comment of:

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I thought you were next in line on the Fisker Karma.


I can afford a Volt, but I don't really want one. My wife might get a plug in (she is looking to buy next year...she plans to test drive the Ford CMax Energi and CMax Hybrid, the Prius plug in and Prius V, and the new Ford Explorer and Mazda 5 in the non hybrid category).

If I was a bit richer I might MIGHT get a Tesla S...beautiful and 100% EV...but I really want a smaller car for city commuting...

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 01:57:53 PM »
What kills Coda for me is the Chinese battery... that's a big gamble for the Coda. BYD, same issue. Great prices and big batteries, but in the end, you usually get what you pay for.

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2011, 02:00:54 PM »
I don't see anybody here talking about Coda. This isn't related to Brammo, but I would be curious to know what you think about that car?
  • More range than a Leaf.
  • Less expensive than a Model S.
  • Californian car company or Chinese Trojan Horse?
  • Concern about the lack of a big company backer (Nissa, Toyota, Polaris)?

In general, until the EPA gives a vehicle an official EPA rating, I take all claims of range with a grain of salt.  Based upon battery size, it SHOULD get more range than a Leaf, but until the official EPA numbers come out, we won't know if it is double the range of a Leaf as Coda claims, or just a few more miles of range.  (I have the same issue with the Tesla Model S, by the way.)

I've seen the Model S in person (even sat in the Beta).  Saying the Coda is less expensive is like saying a Trabant is less expensive than a BMW.  It is an obvious fact, but you also get much more for your money.

I would definitely be more comfortable purchasing from a major brand name that won't go bankrupt when buying ANYTHING with a long warranty.  Warranties last for as long as they say on the warranty, or until the company backing the warranty goes out of business, which ever comes first.  If I were leasing, I wouldn't care as much that Coda might not exist if they fail.  I'd just complete the lease and walk away.

When it comes to the whole Built-in-China thing.  China has a bad reputation for quality in the US because US manufacturers go to China with a set of crappy specifications that ensure the final result will be poor quality.  The Chinese then build and deliver exactly the crappy cheap product the US company specified.  The US company does their quality assurance, and decides to sell the cheap crap to us consumers.  If you go to China and buy Chinese goods built for the domestic Chinese market, the quality is actually quite good on average.  The Chinese are very capable of creating some amazing work.  The question will be what category will the Coda fall into?  Still to early to know, so I'd lease instead of buying. 

So here is my advise to anyone thinking of getting a Coda: 

1)  Base your decision on either official EPA range numbers or on actual reported owner range numbers.
2)  Lease it, don't buy it.
3)  If you want something made in America by American workers, wait for the 2014 Leaf or something similar.

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2011, 02:02:44 PM »
I was replying to Brammofan's comment of:

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I thought you were next in line on the Fisker Karma.



Ah, that makes much more sense now.  I missed that.  My bad.

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2011, 02:26:33 PM »
3)  If you want something made in America by American workers, wait for the 2014 Leaf or something similar.
Or buy a 2012 Ford Focus EV. I waited for this car, but then they decided that Colorado was unworthy of intro market status. So they lost a sale, and I bought a Cruze ECO. Love it BTW.

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Re: BrammoBrian has a new vehicle
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2011, 02:39:44 PM »
3)  If you want something made in America by American workers, wait for the 2014 Leaf or something similar.
Or buy a 2012 Ford Focus EV. I waited for this car, but then they decided that Colorado was unworthy of intro market status. So they lost a sale, and I bought a Cruze ECO. Love it BTW.

Yup, the Focus is another good example, built in Michigan.  Same for Cruze ECO, built in Ohio. 

Hopefully you won't have any problems parking too close to open flames with your ECO...    ;D