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Dashboard wish list
« on: February 12, 2014, 08:48:30 PM »
I would love to hear more about being able to upgrade to the new dashboard!

In the meantime, I thought I'd collect some thoughts and sound people out on improvements to the content of the dash board.  Here are some thoughts that I've had over the year of ownership:
  • (DST) automatic Daylight Savings Time - the bike knows the date and time, why do we have to adjust the clock twice a year?  ;)
  • (BAR) bar graphs replacing unreadable numbers - think of an old graphic equalizer with a jumpy bar and some dampened tickmarks showing recent highs and lows, primarily for the power numbers
  • (HIS) bar graph history for various power numbers (with or without (?) touchy-feely "I saved a unicorn with rainbows" icons for periods of high efficiency?  Or maybe a Butch Brammo Bull icon for periods of particularly prolonged power output?)
  • (ALL) ability to show all numbers at once (probably without a label) to avoid having to switch through the modes just to check some other number
  • (LOL) turn by turn navigation with live traffic updates and satellite imagery, voice prompting/control and running distance to nearest charger or racetrack?
(OK, one of those may be a bit ambitious...)

One additional thought on DST - while it may be a small annoyance twice a year, the fact that the machine keeps logs really suggests that it should be divorcing the concept of absolute time from displayed time and having to actually change the real time on the clock creates ambiguity in the logs.  While the time changes happen in the middle of the night and the thought may be "most riders won't actually be using the bike when the time changes so there would not really be a major ambiguity shift in the logs", that reasoning falls down for a couple of reasons:
  • the bike has to be on to change the time so, by definition, a log is being generated while the time is changing even if that is the only thing that happens on that "run"
  • most riders would not be changing their clocks until the next time they rode the bike, which means the time stamp ambiguity would actually happen during an actual log of an actual ride
  • 2am may be "down time" for most bikes, but EV bikes are most likely being charged at that time (and running a charge log with timestamps)
If fully automatic DST is too involved, it would at least be useful to have a simple "set the time zone offset from GMT" setting so that the actual running time would remain absolute and just the displayed time in the dash would have an offset that changes twice a year for the rider's convenience (and fewer button presses to change it twice a year than to go into a full clock adjustment).
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Re: Dashboard wish list
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2014, 04:29:59 AM »
1) Slightly bigger font for range percent and power.  (old eyes)
2) Dash that points at my face, not my belly (new one might already fix this)
3) Slightly brighter turn signal LED's.  I find them easy to miss (unlike the high RPM lights)
4) charger control, like delayed charge or "charge by" time, pre-heat, etc.

If you want to get fancy, then maybe a graph of power usage over time.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2014, 04:27:49 PM by skuzzle »

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Re: Dashboard wish list
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2014, 01:55:45 PM »
+1 on bigger font.

True backlit screen, like the new Zero appears to be, so the contrast is much greater. With the current belly-aiming, small font, and glare on the screen, everything except the gear number and speed is usually unreadable to my old eyes. Reminds me of the first generation of Palm Pilot vs. iPhone.

Some sort of graphic for power useage. Either linear bars or maybe a separate dial that has the bars arranged as wedges radially so they spin up like a tachometer.

We've talked about the lack of true utility of the range estimator: works well at constant highway speeds and is uselessly volatile around town. I know this is a knotty problem for all EV's, but some kind of mathematical solution must be offer better smoothing than the current algorithm. Maybe hire all those physicists that supplied the formulae for Wall St.'s debt instruments  ;)

Whatever it is, we have to SEE it!

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Re: Dashboard wish list
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2014, 07:50:35 PM »
One good solution for EV range estimates is used on the Chevy Spark (I think). Instead of giving an exact figure, they show high/low/median estimates for remaining range. This could be city/combined/70 mph highway, or possibly modified by historical riding over the last 1000 miles .. lower 10% riding, median, upper 90%.

Ex: Shiny is at 60% SOC, 5.5 kWh remaining. His 10% historical riding low is 85 Wh/mile and 90% high is 160 Wh/mile, so the bike displays a range estimate of 34-65 miles remaining.

It also could plot energy consumption for the current ride to give a feel for where he might land given the current ride.. this is probably what the bike shows now, and at (say) 120 Wh/mile for the first part of the ride it would show 46 miles remaining.

All this could be done graphically as well.
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Re: Dashboard wish list
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2014, 07:59:11 PM »
Skip forward to about 1:20 here.

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Re: Dashboard wish list
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2014, 01:26:53 AM »
-A wh/mile display
-Dimmer LEDs... The red is blinding
-A maintenance odometer
-Ability to turn on and off Regen or adjust some settings via menu

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Re: Dashboard wish list
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2014, 11:06:10 AM »
All good comments and thanks for the input.  I will compile these and report back to the Engineering group for future improvements.  I'm not sure we can accommodate all of it, but we will at least discuss it.

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Re: Dashboard wish list
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2014, 01:10:10 PM »
-A wh/mile display
-Dimmer LEDs... The red is blinding
-A maintenance odometer
-Ability to turn on and off Regen or adjust some settings via menu

FYI... if you're referring to the LEDs above the screen, these have indeed been dimmed for the 2014 dash as they now sit behind a lens and are filtered.  You can kind of tell in this photo:



Good suggestion on the Wh/mile display and maintenance mileage count-down.

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Re: Dashboard wish list
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2014, 01:29:42 PM »
A link to a BUY NOW page would be nice ;)

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