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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2012, 08:54:06 PM »
What Gavin says makes a lot of sense.  I do believe that Brammo want to compete head-to-head against the current crop of IC bikes and come out looking like a good alternative, at least as far as performance is concerned - especially in the quarter-mile. I also agree that the market in the U.S. is very limited - unless the Israelis bomb Iran and Iran blocks the Persian Gulf. Then any EV on the market will sell like hotcakes until the crisis is over.

Right now, I am just not seeing the major motorcycle manufacturers coming into the game any time soon.  I figure that they just don't see enough sales to justify jumping into the EV business.  Even BMW is kind of goofing around with their new e-scooter, with no date set for production to my knowledge.  In any case, based upon BMW's previous actions when they introduce a new model, the e-scooter will be sold in Europe for a couple of years before it becomes available in the U.S. - if it ever does.

We might see the KTM dirt/enduro models here soon, but KTM is willing to take risks that the Japanese and other manufacturers are not. 
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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2012, 08:28:16 PM »
Brammo is being their usual coy self. A few hours ago on Facebook:

Steve Schiro:
When are we finally going to be able to buy the Empulse?

Brammo:
Well that depends where you live and when you pre-ordered.......please email empulse@brammo.com for more information.........

How about a production date already? :P
I wonder if emailing them is going to reveal any new information. My guess is that I'll get the news faster by watching the Brammo Facebook page (and perhaps this forum) than by sending an email.
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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2012, 08:31:35 PM »
You can always trust the forum.   8)
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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2012, 08:38:32 PM »
...I do believe that Brammo want to compete head-to-head against the current crop of IC bikes and come out looking like a good alternative, at least as far as performance is concerned - especially in the quarter-mile. ...

Right now, I am just not seeing the major motorcycle manufacturers coming into the game any time soon. 

I checked a few months ago, and Brammo has the global exclusive rights for the IET transmission for motorcycles and ATV's.  What I'm wondering is how broad the IET patent is, and if this blocks all the major motorcycle manufacturers from selling their bikes with multi-speed transmissions.

If the IET is everything it's been rumored to be, this may make it pretty tough for other manufacturers to compete with Brammo for quite a while.  They will basically need to have large enough batteries and powerful enough electric motors to beat the IET advantage.  That might be a while before that kind of bike could be price competitive.

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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2012, 09:53:03 PM »
According to the most recent interview with Zero, they think they have.

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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2012, 12:37:04 AM »
If the IET is everything it's been rumored to be, this may make it pretty tough for other manufacturers to compete with Brammo for quite a while.  They will basically need to have large enough batteries and powerful enough electric motors to beat the IET advantage.  That might be a while before that kind of bike could be price competitive.

The Sora has a CVT (which is better than a standard transmission is some ways), and version 2 of the Brutus has a semi-automatic transmission.


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There are alternatives to the IET. Of course, those two bikes are a lot more expensive than the Empulse, so perhaps there aren't too many cheap alternatives.
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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2012, 09:23:43 AM »
According to the most recent interview with Zero, they think they have.

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding..

I think we will see that the Empulse destroys the Zero S off the line and in quarter mile races, even though the (more important in the real world?) 30-60 mph acceleration will be similar.

There's a reason Tesla initially tried to build a two speed transmission for the Roadster. They didn't pull the transmission because of poor performance, they pulled it because they couldn't source a durable transmission. Then they bumped up their motor outputs to achieve their desired performance 0-60. I think the two-speed Tesla Roadster would have had significantly higher acceleration about 70 mph and a higher top speed as well.

IET durability is an open question as well. I wonder if this is causing some of the delay bringing the Empulse to the market .. though notably the Enertia Plus has also not been released.

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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2012, 09:39:43 AM »
I wonder if the announcement hold up is due to technical issues (like figuring out if the IET will be durable enough) or political issues.

Brammo on Facebook said:
"Iindeed and we are still working to get the Federal incentive - renewed for 2 wheel EV's."

I don't think the hold up would be due to that, but since they aren't saying, we can always speculate.

Other possible reasons for the hold up:
  • Selecting the winner of the free Empulse. :D
  • Figuring out a way to sneak into Gavin's house to replace the Enertia with a Plus, as a surprise. :P
  • Any more ideas?
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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #38 on: February 29, 2012, 10:29:59 AM »

  • Figuring out a way to sneak into Gavin's house to replace the Enertia with a Plus, as a surprise. :P


Now there is an idea I could get behind....  :)

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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #39 on: February 29, 2012, 10:46:48 AM »
I can understand why the Empulse, with its new and untested gearbox, might be delayed, but I sure can't figure out why the Plus is taking time to arrive. The only explanation I can come up with for that is battery issues, such as selecting the manufacturer and battery design, finalizing the supply contract, proving the durability and reliability of the battery pack, etc.   ???
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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #40 on: February 29, 2012, 11:03:00 AM »
Serious:
Brammo is trying to figure out how to spring a $5000 bump in the Empulse price to preorder customers.
Battery validation is taking longer than expected OR the cells are not performing to specifications.
Brammo is having trouble getting remote assembly setup at Flextronics.
Brammo is still trying to work out distribution deals with Polaris dealers.
Brammo expects incentive legislation to be passed shortly and is waiting to determine pricing.

Less serious:
Brammo HQ infested by fruitbats.
Brammo secretly has been bought by Zero and is pushing people to the Zero lineup.
Empulse has been canceled, but wait! Empulse 2.0 coming summer 2013!
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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #41 on: February 29, 2012, 12:41:33 PM »
I know how frustrating waiting can be for Brammo fans, especially those who have preordered an Empulse......All I can say is that we are executing to our plan and remain on schedule - which includes our communication plan.....and that kicks into gear (pun intended) in March...including our much missed Monthly Newsletters....

The Enertia Plus is on track and you will be hearing more about that very soon..... its going to be an exciting year for Brammo riders......for Brammo ....and the motorcycle industry.

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« Reply #42 on: February 29, 2012, 12:45:21 PM »
Brammo expects incentive legislation to be passed shortly and is waiting to determine pricing.

I really hope that this isnt the hold up... they should stick with the original price of 14k or perhaps even less if they really want to sell them (even more so) like hotcakes. People will get pissed if Brammo uses the federal rebate to justify a higher price. Besides, they are selling the Empulse world wide, so pricing it with the federal rebate in mind would not be wise IMHO. Being a year later than originally planned, decreases in battery costs should make up for possible increase in motor costs with the IET.

But really, I will be a little disappointed if we dont hear something (anything) from Brammo today...

UPDATE: OK well thats something ^^^  :)
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« Reply #43 on: February 29, 2012, 12:47:47 PM »
...we are executing to our plan and remain on schedule...

That's about the best bit of February news I could ever hear.  That's the music I want to hear.  

Keep up with those planned executions over there at Brammo right on schedule!!  



...wait...  that didn't quite come out right...     ;D

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Re: Empulse Production Date?
« Reply #44 on: February 29, 2012, 12:58:14 PM »
I know how frustrating waiting can be for Brammo fans, especially those who have preordered an Empulse......All I can say is that we are executing to our plan and remain on schedule - which includes our communication plan.....and that kicks into gear (pun intended) in March...including our much missed Monthly Newsletters....

The Enertia Plus is on track and you will be hearing more about that very soon..... its going to be an exciting year for Brammo riders......for Brammo ....and the motorcycle industry.



Hmmmm, if March is the month of Empulse news...and we will be hearing more about the Plus "very soon"...and this is the last day of February...and March, again the month of Empulse news, starts Tomorrow....then I assume TODAY is the day of Plus news....


Unless I'm wrong....

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