Hollywood Electric...Throwing the smack down around

[EmpulseRider]

Looks like things are boiling over at elmoto.net... this "mechanic" guy sounds like a true asshole... Almost like he has an axe to grind with Craig Bramscher himself... not sure whats up with that.

[Brammofan]

Yes, I've been watching that. It's because of guys like him and a very few others, that I hardly post over there any more. It's sad, really, because it was a great forum at one time.  I think skadamo's forum, electricmotorcycleforum.com is the "go to" forum now.

[FreepZ]

I'm been reading that elmoto.net thread too. There's a lot of rage going on over there for some reason. My guess is that people have been waiting for so long for Brammo products to show up that they are getting bitter and impatient.

One comment on that thread made me somewhat uncomfortable:
"I'm not believing the "insiders" or "experts" on the forums because they're not offering anything based on fact or that can be documented."

As much as I appreciate this forum, I shouldn't fool myself into thinking that we're going to get any privileged information. I don't think that anyone here has any real facts that have not already been publicized (not counting the folks who actually work at Brammo, because they're not saying anything). We're all just guessing, based on the tiny bits of information that are gleaned off other websites.

Perhaps in the past, some members on this forum had a bit more insight that most other people through the Brammo newsletter, but there hasn't been one of those for a long time.

Happily, when new facts do come to light (like when the Enertia Plus specs finally turned up), this is a great place to read about it.

[Richard230]

I would like to add that I met a Zero factory employee riding a 2012 "S" test bike at Alice's Restaurant today. I spoke with him for about 30 minutes and we talked about his company and the future of electric motorcycles. He seemed very positive about future of the industry and said that he had a lot of respect for Brammo and what they were trying to do with their new models. He didn't see the two brands as being in an adversary competition and felt that the market was big enough for both companies. He said that he wished the best for Brammo.   

I think that type of view is the most productive one for this very small and growing industry.

[Phantom]

That is good to hear. I have been very put off by Zero as a company based on what I have read online by certain Zero employees. Not just this forum, but many online articles that mention Brammo.

I share the view that consumers for electric motorcycles are better off with options from both Brammo and Zero.

[Gavin]

That would be great...of course between here and elmoto it seems that they (Zero employees) do like to say nasty things and pretend to be "regular" people and not Zero staff members

But hopefully that is over?


Not to judge too hard, but Brammo has yet to attack Zero...yet Zero has had an opposite history...I will be happy if that changes...

Gavin

[protomech]

between here and elmoto it seems that they (Zero employees) do like to say nasty things and pretend to be "regular" people and not Zero staff members

That's a really broad brush to paint them with. There definitely have been a couple incidents of Zero employees being.. less than forthright with their employment.

Not to judge too hard, but Brammo has yet to attack Zero...yet Zero has had an opposite history...I will be happy if that changes...

I agree, I'd like to see a little less vitriol in general .. and perhaps learn when to shut up myself : P

[Gavin]

Agreed on both points

Yes I shouldn't paint Zero with such a broad brush (though I would love for them to let it be known they don't approve of the actions we have seen by some employees)

And yes I need to be a bit more Ghandi-like....

I wish Zero success...I wish Brammo success... I wish Harlan success. The EV world can benefit from them all.

Gavin

[ttxgpfan]

Mechanic also talks about Azhar Hussain like he is the personification of evil.  That's just how he talks.  It's vulgar, and I haven't been on the forum for a while.  I've better things to do.

I really get the feeling that Harlan feels a little burned by Brammo's lack of product.  I know he very much feels Brammo's bike(s) are vaporware, and is now putting his money where his mouth is. 

Simply put Zero has given him product to sell, and he's doing quite well with it.  Brammo hasn't.  Clearly his relationship with Zero has grown, and the relationship with Brammo . . . well.  It looks like Harlan just lit the bridge on fire.  It'll be interested if Brammo bothers to notice, when it comes time to send bikes to dealers.  From the little I have chatted with Pinkyracer Harlan knows what the Zero is, a commuter bike, vs what the Empulse is, an early electric sport bike.  I would think, all things being equal, he would be all for being patient for the Empulse if he was selling Zeros like mad, like he is, as they are different bikes.

What does all this mean?  Don't know, and don't care.  Race season starts soon, so all the production dust will settle while I am distracted with that.  I'm just going to wait and see what actually happens.

[00049 (AKA SopFu)]

I think Brammo will look at this from the business perspective.  Who is going to sell the most bikes?  I would be surprised if they hold a grudge when it comes to the supply chain.

And I think the spectacle is entertaining. 

[Gavin]

It will be interesting to see....a big unknown is Brammo's connection with Polaris...

Is Brammo going to mostly use Polaris dealerships?

And holding a grudge doesn't make sense for business...but....if Brammo has other options in the same area, well shouting out Vaporware in multiple locations is not going to scores lot of points

Gavin

[00049 (AKA SopFu)]

Is Brammo going to mostly use Polaris dealerships?

I hope not.  While polaris knows how to market snowmobiles and ATVs to their customers, those customers are not the ones that will be buying EVs.  Give me Harley instead, please!

[Gavin]

I am not sure Hayley knows how to market EVs either....



Gavin

[ttxgpfan]

Polaris already sells an electric 4 wheeler, and Harley is working on an elmoto.

[Xaero]

Is Brammo going to mostly use Polaris dealerships?

I hope not.  While polaris knows how to market snowmobiles and ATVs to their customers, those customers are not the ones that will be buying EVs.  Give me Harley instead, please!

There are a lot of Polaris dealerships that also have other brands, like Yamaha and Suzuki.  I know the only Polaris dealership here in Knoxville Tennessee has a few other brands (http://www.ultimatetoyz.com/).  I don't know if they are going to have any Brammo products when they are released.

As a side note the best thing Brammo can do about Zero bad mouthing them is to finally release their motorcycles.