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TT Zero News
« on: June 06, 2012, 08:57:37 AM »
Due to rain, the TT Zero has been rescheduled to 3:30 local time (that's in 30 minutes from now).

Listen to the action live:
http://www.manxradiott365.com/resources/radioplayer/

Not sure how well the race will go, since the rain has made the course fairly treacherous.
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 09:13:32 AM »
Listening. Hope everyone is safe out there and sets some blistering times :)
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 09:38:29 AM »
Race start delayed 10 minutes. Just got the 3 minute warning. Racers are nervous about the damp roads - will make a 100 mph lap challenging.
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 09:47:20 AM »
Rutter on the Moto Csysz 16 seconds faster in first stage than in practice, even given conditions. (5:18 -> 5:02)

McGuinness on the Mugen 37s slower than Rutter

Miller on the other Moto Csysz 40s slower than Rutter

Go go go!
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 09:56:59 AM »
Wow. Bikes sound awesome on the course.

Rutter 53s in the lead over McGuinness at Ramsay.

Miller has apparently passed McGuinness for #2 position if I heard properly.
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 10:01:15 AM »
Note that due to the staggered starts (Rutter left first), their actual elapsed race times are much closer. McGuinness believed to be slightly in the lead in actual time.

Rob Barber on.. an Agni bike? is also on course. These four bikes are the only ones still active, the other machines are no-shows or have now retired on course.
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 10:02:24 AM »
Rutter: 104.056 mph!

21:45.33 seconds
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 10:03:35 AM »
McGuinness:

102.215 mph

Miller:

101.065 mph
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 10:07:42 AM »
Great commentary protomech!

Yeah, the bikes sounded great going around the course!
Fantastic win for Rutter, and great work for the top three beating the ton.
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 10:12:23 AM »
Heh. Rutter says the top of the tank cover blew off shortly before the finish.

Rob Barber:

78.221 mph
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 10:13:57 AM »
The race started with 9 riders, only 4 finished the race. There were a few more teams that didn't make it to the start.

Electric bikes are getting better all the time, but there is still a lot of experimental work going on.

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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 12:27:45 PM »
Electric Race News did a pretty good job of summing up the event.

Check it out:
http://www.electricracenews.com/2012/06/ton-breaks-at-2012-tt-zero-with-podium.html

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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 11:57:45 AM »
Michael Czysz did a pre-race Q&A with Asphalt & Rubber.

One thing that stood out:

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That’s one of the things that makes us different from Kingston and Mugen. They’ve said specifically that their bikes are designed to run only at the Isle of Man. Kingston has no interest in racing elsewhere, and Mugen has said they build the Shinden to specifically break the 100 mph lap. So if they want to come with a 50 lbs heavier bike, which they have, and that means 50 more pounds of batteries than us, then that’s a fine call for the Isle of Man, but that would be devastating if you wanted to do other things with the bike, and we do.

The 2012 E1PC bikes are 14+ kWh. Rumor and speculation pegs the Mugen bike at ~20 kWh .. as large of a pack as the Honda Fit EV. Even if it's not quite that large, certainly it is massive and the bike is significantly larger than the MotoCzysz.

The key to laptimes at IOM TT, speaking very broadly, is average power + aero + rider. Over a 22 minute lap, even a massive 20 kWh pack can only support average 55 kW power draw .. that's well under the maximum output of the current crop of motors. Moto Czysz and Mugen both did very well, they had fantastic riders but they approached the power + aero equation from opposite sides.

I think that's part of why Brammo has (so far) declined to join in the TT Zero after the inaugural race. Brammo produced a 75.350 mph lap back in 2009 on the Enertia TTR, which used an 8 kWh pack. The Empulse RR in 2011 and 2012 uses a 12.4 kWh pack - almost certainly the same cells used in the Enertia Plus and the Empulse, just 100% more than the E+ and 33% more than the Empulse. Without advanced aero, however, a 14 kWh pack will beat a 12 kWh pack, all else being equal.

I believe we're at the point with short distance course racing, as in the NA TTXGP, where more weight from a larger pack isn't necessarily helpful. Brammo might be able to put out less power than the E1PC averaged over the entire course due to a smaller pack, but that's partially compensated for using less power in general due to lower weight. As batteries get lighter and lighter, the pack capacities will go up but the pack weight will generally trend downwards. Eg if a magical double capacity cell became available, none of the racers would build a fresh start bike with a double capacity same weight pack .. they'd size it something like 80% the weight and 160% the capacity.

This isn't necessarily true for the IOM TT race.. since the corners are much higher speed and the average speeds are much higher. Capacity trumps weight on this course.

Anyways, it's going to be very interesting to see the E1PC on course at NA TTXGP. Lightning vs Moto Czysz is going to be a fun fight as always.. I hope Brammo can join in.

I think every competitor for next year will have learned their lessons from Michael Czysz, especially Mugen. 102 mph is very impressive for a first entry, although I was still surprised that they "lost". TT Zero and TTXGP are much looser with aero rules than other competitions, I hope we will see some new and interesting race designs next year that are heavily aero-optimized. I would have loved to see the feet-first entrant race.
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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2012, 10:29:00 PM »
A couple of short videos of the event:



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Re: TT Zero News
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2012, 07:42:08 AM »
Here's a capture of iTV4's (UK) coverage of the race. Check it out before it disappears : )
http://blip.tv/rossifumi/2012-isle-of-man-tt-zero-6191496
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