EV Plug (240v J1772)

[Xaero]

I am sure its been said before.  Someone needs to give Brammo a good swift kick and make them create an adapter or fast charging accessory package using that plug.  This plug is poping up like weeds everywhere.  One of our many local Cracker Barrels now has two of these here in Tennessee and they plan on spreading the love to all of them.  Blink's website shows 22 blink stations in my area and a new website I found, which will interest everyone here, shows a few more.  http://www.plugshare.com - Its early in the morning and I am half asleep so someone here may of already linked that website... so credit is due to someone else, not me.

So.  Brammo.  J1772.  Now.  Thanks.

PS: You are loaded now too...

Edit: Ooo I see the thread in the Empulse forums about this plug.  And here I am making a new thread trying to get the pitchforks and torches out.

[Brammofan]

I am sure its been said before.  Someone needs to give Brammo a good swift kick and make them create an adapter or fast charging accessory package using that plug.  This plug is poping up like weeds everywhere.  One of our many local Cracker Barrels now has two of these here in Tennessee and they plan on spreading the love to all of them.  Blink's website shows 22 blink stations in my area and a new website I found, which will interest everyone here, shows a few more.  http://www.plugshare.com - Its early in the morning and I am half asleep so someone here may of already linked that website... so credit is due to someone else, not me.

So.  Brammo.  J1772.  Now.  Thanks.

PS: You are loaded now too...

Ha ha "loaded now" 

Have you seen whether the charging stations at Cracker Barrel have ONLY the J1772 or if they are one of the dual systems. One of the ChargePoint systems I have used have the 120V outlet behind a little door that pops up when you put your ChargePoint card up to a sensor (or when you call the 1-800 number on the display). 

But yeah, I agree it's the new standard and an adapter needs to be made.  And a 240V option with genuine Level 2 charging is high on my wish list, too.

[Xaero]

I am sure its been said before.  Someone needs to give Brammo a good swift kick and make them create an adapter or fast charging accessory package using that plug.  This plug is poping up like weeds everywhere.  One of our many local Cracker Barrels now has two of these here in Tennessee and they plan on spreading the love to all of them.  Blink's website shows 22 blink stations in my area and a new website I found, which will interest everyone here, shows a few more.  http://www.plugshare.com - Its early in the morning and I am half asleep so someone here may of already linked that website... so credit is due to someone else, not me.

So.  Brammo.  J1772.  Now.  Thanks.

PS: You are loaded now too...

Ha ha "loaded now" 

Have you seen whether the charging stations at Cracker Barrel have ONLY the J1772 or if they are one of the dual systems. One of the ChargePoint systems I have used have the 120V outlet behind a little door that pops up when you put your ChargePoint card up to a sensor (or when you call the 1-800 number on the display). 

But yeah, I agree it's the new standard and an adapter needs to be made.  And a 240V option with genuine Level 2 charging is high on my wish list, too.

I didn't think to look for a 120V outlet at the one I was gawking at.  I will have to look at it again when I get a chance.

I did apply for an RFID card from the Blink website.  Not that I have anything electric, yet.

[oobflyer]

The 240V J1772 standard does seem like a logical step in the evolution of the electric bike. When Brammo sent out their survey to reservation holders awhile back - the question was asked about the importance of high-voltage "fast" charging. I responded that it is very important to me. Maybe if everyone answered the same way Brammo will re-consider.

[FreepZ]

The folks at my company were nice enough to intall a charging station.



Sadly, the 110v standard socket (NEMA 5-15) was nowhere to be seen. When I finally do get an Empules, I'm going to see if they can install that 110v socket too. Otherwise, there will be no charging at work for me. Or perhaps someone will develop a J1772 to NEMA 5-15 converter that I can get.

[Brammofan]

Check out this thread: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/J1772-ADAPTER-td3827930.html

Might be something relevant there.

[oobflyer]

TucsonEV (www.TucsonEV.com) makes adapters, but when I inquired about a J1772 -> 120V this was the response:

Is it possible to use a similar set-up to use the J1772 station  to charge a 120V EV?

Nope - not possible. J1772 is 240 vac only. There is no neutral or return, only 2 hots and Ground. If you use the ground as a neutral/return, the EVSE faults.

Rush Doughety

[Gavin]

weird that they can go 120v to J1227, but not from J1227 to 120v

http://gm-volt.com/2009/08/20/charging-the-chevy-volt/




Gavin

[protomech]

Presumably the onboard Volt charger is able to use either 240V or 120V to charge. I don't think the Volt's 120V cord is transforming the input power up to 240V.

[oobflyer]

Has Brammo officially announced that the Empulse will be using the J1772 standard?

When I asked about it earlier (I can't find the thread now) I was told, unequivocally, that they would definitely NOT be using the J1772 plug. And then the L.A. Motorcycle show happened.

This is a significant, game-changing issue. A bike that could make use of all of the charging stations being installed around the country would have a huge advantage over bikes that charge on 120V.

Just saying.

Brammofan? BrammoBrian? Anyone? 

[Brammofan]

I can say, without equivocation.... that's a good question.

[Phantom]

I have nothing official, but I think it is a logical guess/assumption as the North American standard has been accepted by other manufacturers. Please see the list below:

Compatible vehicle models Nissan Leaf
 Chevrolet Volt
 Coda Automotive sedan
 Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid
 Mitsubishi i MiEV
 Honda Fit EV (concept)
 Ford Focus Electric
 Rapid Electric Vehicles 300 ACX
 Tesla Roadster using J1772 mobile adapter.
 ZERO Motorcycles 2011 and 2012 S and DS Models (with factory accessory kit)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772

[oobflyer]

I wonder about the inclusion of the Zero on the Wikipedia list - this is from Zero's website:

Zero's scalable "quick charge" accessory offerings for 2012 allow Zero S and Zero DS customers to acquire as many as three standalone chargers (in addition to the existing on-board unit) for up to a ~75% reduction in charge time. Zero XU, Zero X and Zero MX customers can choose to add one more standalone charger for a ~50% charge-time reduction. In technical terms, the Zero S and Zero DS have two charge circuits, whereas the Zero XU, Zero X and Zero MX have one, and up to two chargers are allowed in each circuit. For the Zero S and Zero DS, the first "2x" quick-charge accessory adds a charger that plugs into its second charge circuit (the onboard charger is plugged into the first). Additional Zero S and Zero DS charge accessory options (3x and 4x), as well as the single Zero X/Zero MX option, use a “Y” adaptor that allows up to two chargers to plug into a single circuit.
Please keep in mind that most household electricity circuits are rated to 110V/15A, which can only support a single charger. As a result, in order to make use of Zero's quick-charge accessories, you must plug each charger into a separate 110V/15A circuit. If connecting to any other, higher-rated household circuit, you must make sure it can safely support the load of each of Zero's 1,200W input chargers.

It doesn't sound like J1772 plug to me....

[Phantom]

This is a current discussion on www.elmoto.net.

Here is a quote from Harlan (from Hollywood Electrics & here) on the subject:

The Zero S has the built in charger for Level 1 charging. The J1772 port only supports level one charging. For level 2 charging you need to plug the second off-board charger into the auxiliary charger input. Using both the on-board charger + off-board charger = Level 2 charging.
 
Although there is no place to mount the second charger to the bike for on-board Level 2 charging, I don't see this as being prohibitively difficult. As of now, it is a moot point since Level 2 charging stations, or any charging stations are still few and far between... but we're working on that.

Source: http://www.elmoto.net/showthread.php/1673-Unsure-about-J1772-and-Level-2

[protomech]

J1772 on the Zero S is a bit confusing, because the standard is usually associated with both 240V charging and faster charges than are available from a standard 120V / 15A wall socket.

With the adapter installed, the Zero S should be compatible with J1772. (2011 only? Don't see the option for the 2012 bikes). The onboard charger is limited to 1kW output power, so at 240V the Zero S should pull around 5A.

It seems the SAE defines AC Level 1 charging as 120V <16A and AC Level 2 charging as 240V <80A. That would mean the J1772 Zero and any EV bike charging from a Euro-style 240V mains are all considered level 2 bikes.. even if they're charging at rates significantly below what a 120V / 15A socket supports.


Zero's quick charge option is completely separate from its J1772 option. Quick-charging uses multiple off-board chargers in conjunction with the onboard charger to deliver total power to the bike of up to 4 kW (4 120V circuits at approx 10A each). The J1772 option is a 240V interface to the single onboard charger, delivering total power of up to 1 kW (1 240V circuit at approx 5A).