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Re: replacement for Valence u1-12xp?
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2021, 02:31:45 AM »
3D-printed battery-box for my Valence replacement-project, more news and updates in a few days.
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Re: replacement for Valence u1-12xp?
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2021, 08:00:35 AM »
looks nice!

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Re: replacement for Valence u1-12xp?
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2021, 07:17:55 AM »
first apologise for my poor English writing ;)
So, this is were we are:
i rebuilded 6 old valence batteries, removed the 120 old dead/crappy 18650 cells and replaced them by 4x 50Ah EVE prismatic cells, my chinese vendor packed and connected the cells by laserwelding 25mm2 alu busbars on the terminals. The new pack was 2mm to big for the old original valence casing, so i 3Dprinted 6 new casings. I connected the original bms wiring on the busbars. Checking the rebuild batteries with the valence diagnostic software: no alarms, green led, balancing is working, man i'm so happy. Charging with CC/CV powersupply went well (4x3,6V=14,4V, 99,8% SOC, balance within 10mV) and test-discharging 10A continious showed a capacity of 53 AH, so far looking good!
The reason for rebuilding was clear; crappy cells screwing up the capacity and performance of my Brammo. Last year i was able to make a 15km trip max and then a row of warnings and alarms appeared on the dashboard B55... till B40, but after re-charging all alarms disappeared and my Brammo was ready for a short run again. This summer i couldn't ride, ik kept an eye on the soc and waited for the new cells from my chinese friends. While not riding I didn't notice the slight chance in startup behaviour: after turning the key a B7 alarm showed up for a second and than a B40 alarm took over, so no startup. This occured with the old pack and continued after installing the new rebuilded pack, i felt like crying...
After crying i went on searching for a course of the malfunction; i found out that when i push the little grey startbutton before turning the ignitionkey and keeping the startbutton pushed after turning the key: the startup looks normal, the big contactor 'click' is there and the motorfan is blowing, when i throttle the bike is actually moving a few cm's till alarm B7 appears :-[.
I think the electronics for the drive are ok, B7 stands for "lost module" could there be something wrong with (one of) the battery electronics? i have 2 leftover old batteries with green led, i think i swap them with the allready installed batteries, truing to finfd the bad battery, sounds reasonable?
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Re: replacement for Valence u1-12xp?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2021, 01:47:03 AM »
Hello nice, whish I could help :-\
It's quiet on the forum, perhaps pm a member who could know more?

good luck!

greetings,
Gerry
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Re: replacement for Valence u1-12xp?
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2021, 04:56:12 AM »
You're right Gerry, it's too quiet on the forum, now the good news: Problem solved!💪🏼 Alarm B7 stands for "lost module" and that is what it is; one of the batteries had no proper communication with the vcu. how i found the lost module: i bypassed the communication board of the battery (one by one) by disconnecting the datawiring and connect the datawirng to my  spare original vallence battery (with green led).  So the sparebattery was daisychained in the battery-communication-circuit, the to-be-tested battery was separated from the bat-com-circuit. While doing a startup i watched the change in startup behaviour and the alarms showing up, if nothing changed (b7-alarm keeps coming during startup) i moved my sparebatt to the next module, after changing the module-id to the corresponding to-be-tested-module. On the 3th attempt (on mudule 3) the  b7-alarm didn't show up (module/bat nr3 is recognized by vcu) and the startup was ok, so module 3 was the lost module! I swapped the pcb-board of the sparebatt to module/batt nr3 and i was ready to go, my brammo is full fuctioning without any alarms!  ;D
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Re: replacement for Valence u1-12xp?
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2021, 05:23:42 PM »
Just a quick question. I

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Re: replacement for Valence u1-12xp?
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2022, 03:03:50 PM »
Thank God you are active on this board!
I have just picked up 2010 Limited Edition bike with all Valence U1-12xp

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Re: replacement for Valence u1-12xp?
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2022, 01:55:22 AM »
Will the bike run without one of the battery BMS connected? I'm rebuilding a battery but the cells won't be here for months. I want to use a plain U1 SLA battery temporarily but I need to know if that idea will let it ride?

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Re: replacement for Valence u1-12xp?
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2022, 04:23:38 PM »
I don

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Re: replacement for Valence u1-12xp?
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2022, 01:19:05 AM »
Will the bike run without one of the battery BMS connected? I'm rebuilding a battery but the cells won't be here for months. I want to use a plain U1 SLA battery temporarily but I need to know if that idea will let it ride?
No it will not run, you will get a lot of alarm-messages. For Enertia-basic: the slave-bms (build in every valence-module) needs to be part of the system. You can separate the bms of the defect module and build it in a temp. lifepo4 4s 12.8v battery,
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1x Kreidler 50cc Special 1975
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