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Richard230

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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2012, 05:14:16 PM »
After much head scratching over my camera's instruction manual, I finally figured out how to downsize the photos that I take.  So, attached are photos of my Zero S.

The windshield is a $100 Zero accessory and appears to be a Slipstreamer Spitfire with a Zero decal on the front.  It wobbles around at speed a bit but seems to work well and some people have reported that installing the windshield has increased their top speed and overall riding range noticeably.  I have my doubts that it could make that much of a difference, but it does a good job of keeping the wind off your chest. I have had this same shield on my Triumph for the past 6 years and it has given good service and still looks like new.  It is quickly detachable in seconds using a couple of wing nuts.
current bikes: 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2007 BMW R1200R, 2005 Triumph T-100 Bonneville, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.

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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2012, 05:37:09 PM »
I just received some photos of me and my Zero that a friend took last Sunday morning at Alice's Restaurant. At the time the bike was being charged via an extension cord connected to a wall outlet at the back of their gas station.  Now is that appropriate, or what?   ;D
current bikes: 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2007 BMW R1200R, 2005 Triumph T-100 Bonneville, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.

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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2012, 06:22:26 PM »
How's the quality of the bike ? The frame and swingarm look like works of art. How are the rims ? I recall someone complaining about the finish on them at one of the bike shows. Wiring is packaged nice 'n tidy ? etc.  Thanks !

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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2012, 09:05:10 PM »
The rims are beautiful, as is their finish. Sort of like porcelain. Everything on the bike looks well made and appears to be of high quality.  The wiring is neat and almost completely out of sight.  Frankly, the bike looks to be built to a higher standard of quality than my two BMW motorcycles. The only area that I am not satisfied with is the paint on the plastic "tank". It is showing some "orange peel" and the paint seems a little soft.  Also, it would be really nice if they had installed a real rack behind the seat, instead of a plastic beauty plate.
current bikes: 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2007 BMW R1200R, 2005 Triumph T-100 Bonneville, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.

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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2012, 06:03:36 PM »
So I finally gave my 2012 ZF9 S the workout that I bought the bike for. I rode it the 38.4 miles from my home in Pacifica, across the Golden Gate Bridge, to my daughter's house located in Marin County, in the town of Fairfax.  Going there in the morning, the temperature was in the high 40's and I had the bike in "Eco" mode. I kept up with traffic in the slow lane and adhered to the speed limit. About 1/4 of my riding was on the freeway at 60 mph and the rest was on collector streets or two-lane State highways, at around 40 mph.

I took my Kill A Watt meter along with me and completely recharged my pack at my daughter's home, which took about 4.5 hours and used 3.95 kWh. When I returned home, via the exact same route as I had taken in the morning, the temperature was in the high 60's and I had the bike in "Sport" mode. Upon recharging the pack, it only took 3.65 kWh.  I have no idea why the power consumption was less in "Sport" mode on the way home, unless the temperature being 20 degrees warmer made the difference.   ???

I ran a little calculation to determine my travel cost:  I used 7.6 kWh for the round trip. My power costs (including all taxes and random other charges) amounts to $ 0.137 per kWh. That means that my 76.8 mile trip cost me $1.04 in power consumption.  If I had ridden my Triumph, which gets 42 mpg on 89 octane fuel, the trip would have cost me $8.21, based upon yesterday's fuel price of $4.49 per gallon at my local gas station.  That is a pretty significant difference in traveling cost and when you factor in the almost nonexistent maintenance costs (if you can get past the initial purchase price), you really can save a lot of money riding electric.  ;D
current bikes: 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2007 BMW R1200R, 2005 Triumph T-100 Bonneville, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.

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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 07:48:00 PM »
Thanks for the update. It's good to have some real life numbers.
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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2012, 07:48:30 PM »
Elevation change?

Time? Did the ride out take longer? Shorter?

I haven't seen a big change with temp...1 or 2%

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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2012, 08:56:57 PM »
Thinking back to my morning ride, I think I was pushing against a 20 mph headwind for a few miles while going up the freeway hill that takes me out of town. That probably made the difference. The windshield really helps block the wind so you don't feel it so much.
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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2012, 07:42:36 PM »
Thanks for sharing about your new Zero. Anybody on a new electric motorcycle, regadless of the maker, is good news for all of us.

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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2012, 01:03:55 AM »
Ordered a 2012 ZF9 Zero S. Showed up on a truck today, spent way more time running back and forth today than I'd have liked : P

Today was:

Home -> head to work on GS500 -> called to tell truck was out for deliver -> home depot for tin snips -> home -> unpack S with delivery driver's kind assistance -> fiddle with S a while, get it charging, get mirrors situated, set correct tire pressure -> back to work for a bit on GS500 -> dmv to get plates -> told they need to see the bike in person, out of state title -> back to home, swap to the S -> to nearby DMV -> back to home depot to get some license bolts, no frame installed -> back to home, charge and install license plate -> head over to friends' house for dinner and Dr. Who -> back home at 11:30.

Yeah. Busy day .. and almost no work done .. due to anticipation + rush. Probably 60 miles on the GS500, 50 on the S.

Range is a bit better than I was expecting, approximately 6.5 bars consumed (of 11) to go 44.7 miles, 45-50 mph mostly, a few miles at 55-60 mph. Figure range-to-empty at those speeds is around 75 miles. Could have charged at friend's house, didn't need to.

Pros:
* range is pretty good for my needs
* power in sport mode is pretty good. My GS500 is slow as motorcycles go, about 40 hp give or take. The S feels slower, in the sense of when the GS500 is in its power band.. but it's quicker, in the sense of "I need power right NOW". Power is soft below 10-20 mph, especially in eco mode - but really takes off around 30-50.
* I'm not a huge fan of the Zero S in some pictures, but I think it looks pretty damn good sitting in my garage. I may be biased now though!
* There's a little bit of motor hum at low speed, but bike is overall very quiet. motor fan is near-silent until stopping, and charging is absolutely quiet.
* Anything on the bike that's metal is high quality. All the welds are neat, the front forks are pretty sexy, the motor and wire organization are very neatly done. Foot pegs, side stand
* Regen is fun to play with, actually quite effective at slowing to a stop and giving a semblance of engine braking. Suspect it is of pretty limited utility in light traffic, will see tomorrow in heavier traffic.

Odd:
* charger isn't quite behaving like the manual indicates - there's an ammeter indicator that as far as I can tell doesn't work. still seems to function fine aside from the display not working like I expect
* Sport mode has pretty limited regen from braking, I'd really like to have eco braking + sport speed. Hopefully Zero isn't blowing smoke at us about being able to tune the bikes.. not that Brammo's any better in this respect, but at least they give you access to the logs :P

Cons:
* The primary display functions well enough, but I'd really like more information on error codes, energy consumption, and bike status.
* Most of the plastic bits feels cheap - the fairing bits, the switch gear, the displays. TBH it feels like the sort of plastic you find in some cheap made-in-china toys.
* The headlight is very hot, noticeable from 6-8 inches from the front of the bike. On the plus side, it's quite bright.
* The charger is not terrible to plug in, but it's very difficult to see the lights through a small access hole.
* I have no saddlebags for the bike. I've forgotten how much riding with a backpack in 80 degree weather sucks : P
* The mirror arms are made of high quality materials, but the design is Not Good. I eventually got them positioned where they were somewhat useful, but I may well be looking for a replacement sooner rather than later.

Anyhow. I guess I should take my name off the Empulse preorder list - but I'm very eager to see how the Empulses do, and I may be hunting a used Empulse in a couple of years. I'd love to compare or see comparisons between the Enertia Plus and the Zero - my suspicion is that the EP is going to have a significantly higher quality "feel" to it, and not fall that short on range vs ZF9 - but the Zero has a fair bit more speed. Brammo's most recent dyno is .. pretty impressive though.
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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2012, 08:50:29 AM »
Congrats and enjoy...

Once you ride an electric, it's hard to go back to gas:)

Glad you got a nice ride...hope you stick around...I learn a lot from your posts.

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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2012, 09:03:38 AM »
Another Zero defector... wow, they are adding up. Congrats Proto!

Brammo, lets get some information about the Empulse today! The pull of the Zero S is becoming hard to resist  ;)

BTW there are shiney new 2012s not more than 3 miles from my house  :P

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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2012, 10:18:45 AM »
Owning a Zero doesn't mean I can't be interested in or a fan of Brammo : )

Besides, now I have the Empulse 2.0 to look forward to..

Hit 80 mph on the stretch going into work today. Bike had a little left, but a) that was already moving faster than the majority of the traffic b) see a. 12 miles in to work used a bit over 2 bars (of 11), largely thanks to the 3 miles at 60-80 mph.
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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2012, 10:39:49 AM »
Another Zero defector... wow, they are adding up. Congrats Proto!

Brammo, lets get some information about the Empulse today! The pull of the Zero S is becoming hard to resist  ;)

BTW there are shiney new 2012s not more than 3 miles from my house  :P

In backwards order....

You should take one for a test ride and see how you like it....I'm sure they are fun to ride.

While I would love some Empulse news today....I don't know if we will be getting any...maybe...but Brammo seems pretty set on releasing info when they want, not when we want :)

Yeah, a few lost sales for sure...At the same time I still maintain that Brammo doesn't see Zero as their competition (notice how Brammo never seems to mention Zero, but Zero is always talking about Brammo)....Brammo sees, right or wrong, Honda and BMW as their future competitors.

Gavin

Keep up with the details Proto...love all the info.


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Re: I bought a Zero
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2012, 10:51:19 AM »
Nice writeup, Protomech.  I also continue to have an interest in Brammo's future products.  If they come out with a model that doubles the Zero's range, the Zero will likely go to my daughter and I'll add the Empulse 2.0 to my collection.

I was told by a Zero employee this weekend that they are working on a method where owners could modify some of the power and regen programming of their controller.  That sounds interesting, but I wonder if the product liability lawyers will go for it.   ???

For carrying stuff, I am really happy with the RKA expandable seat bag that I have lashed half to the rear portion of my seat and half to the black plastic beauty "rack" on the top of the rear fairing. It is working out well and holds a lot of stuff.  It is a bit pricy, but is of high quality. The one I am using I have owned for 10 years and it has been installed on several of my motorcycles during that time, including my two EMS GPR-S bikes.

I concur that the plastic parts are not the same quality as are the guts of the bike and the paint and finish on the shiny plastic parts isn't any better. It is soft. scratches easily and has some orange peel.

Attached is a photo showing my recommendation for carrying stuff without using saddlebags.
current bikes: 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2007 BMW R1200R, 2005 Triumph T-100 Bonneville, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.