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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2011, 01:26:54 PM »
I want it to sound like a TIE fighter. Wait... it already does.

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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2011, 11:15:53 PM »
I am 23 and i have found that most people dont want to hear about electric motorcycles. One guy even told me that im defeating the purpose of green tech because of the coal used for electricity. Although i have plans for a solar panel setup for recharge, but i told him im sure i consume less than his Xbox/PS3 with theater grade surround sound system, that he uses for 6 hrs a day! lol  My motorcycle friends think it is a neat concept but are waiting for me to "test" it out. None of use regularly ride more than 45 miles everyday. I dont care what people say either. I ride a 2011 honda CBR250 and i have a blast riding it. I actually had a guy make fun of me because of it but had nothing to say after i asked where his bike was( he had no bike). Im really excited and will for sure wait for the empulse.

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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2011, 11:46:49 PM »
It's a "mid-life-crisis" toy   ;)

I'm 50 yrs old - I've ridden sport bikes my whole life, but made the compromise to a scooter (Vectrix) in 2008, when gas was nearly $5/gallon. The Empulse satisfies both my desire to ride a sport bike, and to ride on electrons.

By the way - people who say that electric vehicles create more pollution by using coal-sourced electricity need to spend less time listening to Fox "News" and take the 5 or so seconds it takes to google the truth:

Even if ALL of the electricity used to charge an EV comes from coal - it still produces HALF of the greenhouse emissions, compared to the same vehicle that is burning gasoline.

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2011, 08:52:44 AM »
yep...even using coal it is better than using gas...plus coal is local and gas often comes from countries that hate us and support terrorist...


and for me, with panels on my roof, well my long tailpipe goes from bike directly to my rooftop...only battery powered vehicles can be truly emissions free...

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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2011, 09:25:13 AM »
The noise generator (for slow speeds) should have a rotary switch.  Settings would be something like
"Ducati, Harley, V8, turbine, chainsaw"   ;D

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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2011, 02:38:06 PM »
By the way - people who say that electric vehicles create more pollution by using coal-sourced electricity need to spend less time listening to Fox "News" and take the 5 or so seconds it takes to google the truth:

Even if ALL of the electricity used to charge an EV comes from coal - it still produces HALF of the greenhouse emissions, compared to the same vehicle that is burning gasoline.

Depends on the type of greenhouse emissions you're talking about, as well as what type of EV. The Nissan Leaf powered by the US-average blend of electricity will indirectly - through the long tailpipe - cause CO2 emissions slightly higher (~130 g/km) than the Toyota Prius directly emits (~109 g/km), per the EPA. Same CO2 emissions as a 50 mpg bike, fwiw - though the bike will likely emit far more of the other greenhouse gases.

An Enertia is close in performance to a Honda CBR125R, 80-90 mpg bike. Not really 70 mph highway safe, like the Enertia. Enertia should be around 46 g/km @ 110-120 wh/mile, CBR125R should be around 64 g/km.
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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2011, 02:42:59 PM »
By the way - people who say that electric vehicles create more pollution by using coal-sourced electricity need to spend less time listening to Fox "News" and take the 5 or so seconds it takes to google the truth:

Even if ALL of the electricity used to charge an EV comes from coal - it still produces HALF of the greenhouse emissions, compared to the same vehicle that is burning gasoline.

Depends on the type of greenhouse emissions you're talking about, as well as what type of EV. The Nissan Leaf powered by the US-average blend of electricity will indirectly - through the long tailpipe - cause CO2 emissions slightly higher (~130 g/km) than the Toyota Prius directly emits (~109 g/km), per the EPA. Same CO2 emissions as a 50 mpg bike, fwiw - though the bike will likely emit far more of the other greenhouse gases.

An Enertia is close in performance to a Honda CBR125R, 80-90 mpg bike. Not really 70 mph highway safe, like the Enertia. Enertia should be around 46 g/km @ 110-120 wh/mile, CBR125R should be around 64 g/km.
Oh boy... here we go. 
Protomech, are you counting the 64 g/km on the CBR125R as the amount of CO2 emissions from the bike's tailpipe or the amount involved in the pumping of the oil, transporting the oil to the refinery, refining the oil, and transporting the oil to the end user?
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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2011, 03:02:30 PM »
Yep...everything has a "long tailpipe"....

The gas doesn't jump from the ground into the car...just like the electrons don't flow right from the sun into my bike...oh wait, yes they will :)

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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2011, 03:08:50 PM »
Yep...everything has a "long tailpipe"....

The gas doesn't jump from the ground into the car...just like the electrons don't flow right from the sun into my bike...oh wait, yes they will :)

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Touche to you.  The last refuge of the EV owner. "Sure, go ahead and count my CO2 from the power plant if you want.  Only, I get all my electricity from the sun/wind" 
And here's a good explanation of the ol' well to wheels argument:
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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2011, 03:11:23 PM »
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Depends on the type of greenhouse emissions you're talking about, as well as what type of EV. The Nissan Leaf powered by the US-average blend of electricity will indirectly - through the long tailpipe - cause CO2 emissions slightly higher (~130 g/km) than the Toyota Prius directly emits (~109 g/km), per the EPA. Same CO2 emissions as a 50 mpg bike, fwiw - though the bike will likely emit far more of the other greenhouse gases.

An Enertia is close in performance to a Honda CBR125R, 80-90 mpg bike. Not really 70 mph highway safe, like the Enertia. Enertia should be around 46 g/km @ 110-120 wh/mile, CBR125R should be around 64 g/km.
Oh boy... here we go. 
Protomech, are you counting the 64 g/km on the CBR125R as the amount of CO2 emissions from the bike's tailpipe or the amount involved in the pumping of the oil, transporting the oil to the refinery, refining the oil, and transporting the oil to the end user?

Comparing emissions at the gas bike tailpipe vs emissions directly at the power plants. In both cases emissions due to harvesting and refining fuel are not considered. I've seen numbers quoted around 77% efficient for well-to-pump efficiencies, but have never seen anything similar for power plant fuel (coal / nuclear / natural gas being the big 3, hydro / solar / wind have all the fuel on-site).

From the eGRID2010 Technical Support Document p9:
"Also, eGRID does not account for any pre-combustion emissions associated with the extraction, processing and transportation of fuels and other materials used at the plants or any emissions associated with the construction of the plants."

Coal is used for about half the power generated in the US, but produces a larger proportion of CO2 emissions. (75%? can't find numbers right atm). So if you're looking at an EV powered purely by coal, raise the CO2 emissions by about 50%. And likewise, if you power an EV with solar or hydro or wind, adjust accordingly.

Bottom line, I'm not sure car EVs produce less net CO2 than hybrid car ICE considering the national energy mix. Bike EVs likely DO produce less net CO2 (and many more harmful emissions), but only because bike ICE is tuned more for power and rarely if ever for efficiency. Thanks largely to the EPA, car engines are pretty efficient and a complicated set of emission traps scrub away the majority of the harmful emissions. The EPA does very little regulation of bike engine emissions, and (consequently?) bikes are pretty dirty.
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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2011, 03:17:55 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2011, 03:55:06 PM »
Nice video....

And I will admit I love that my bike will be powered by the sun. Hopefully not in a "smug" way, but in a "wow, look at what we can do in this day and age" kind of way.

At the same time I understand not everybody will or can do solar...thankfully I like in a hella sunny state, have a south facing roof and the financial ability to buy the panels...

Hopefully solar and wind and other forms of clean energy will grow and grow and grow...

The great thing is that electric vehicles CAN be very very clean...gasoline can't.

I don't even like to think about my 2 stroke scooter...gah, she's a dirty bird...but I do love her so...

She will be replaced by the Plus as soon as Brammo gets me one.

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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2011, 05:02:23 PM »
I love the running on dirty coal argument... Pretty lame argument considering the points already mentioned here. At least with an EV I can have somewhat of a choice as to what fuels my ride. You can put Solar Panels on your roof but you sure as hell cant put a oil refinery in your back yard. Dont mean to sound smug either but I will do just fine running on solar power while the rest of these nay-sayers fight over the remaining non-renewable resources. Im 32 BTW, have ridden crotch-rockets for 13 years and dont give a rats ass what some haters may think about my Empulse.

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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2011, 10:40:30 AM »
To keep the thread moderately on topic and away from smug emissions.

I'm 25, currently ride a blaring loud Buell 1125R Superbike. My passion is motorsports and this is the direction it is going. I'm an EV Engineer at my day job and have been helping out a local speed shop with their electric land speed record motorcycle that should be blowing by Lightning Motors record any day now.

Its fun being in a dirty speed shop full of motor heads who ride souped up liter bikes, then putting the electric motorcycle on the dyno and making them all cringe. The amount of power and acceleration you can get out of electric motors is insane (and I dont mean that casually). We exceeded the dyno jets design limits in less than 2 seconds both in top speed and power...

Can't wait to get a hold of my Empulse. I really hope they offer it in the RR full fairing trim, as a year round commuter I try to hide from the cold winter air and some fairings would be very very very welcome. Plus I love the neon colors.

As far as this magic button on your bike that emits noise at low speeds to warn people of your silent bike, its called a horn, works pretty well.

Will Brammo have an optional DC Bus hookup for fast charging with a HCV (high cell voltage) and HCT (high cell temp) cut-off? Quick charging would be a very nice capability.

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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2011, 10:50:19 AM »
Welcome to the forum 2slow.  Are you working with the Killajoule team?  If so, please say hello to Bill and Eva. 

I don't know about the DC Bus connection, but perhaps some Brammo folks might chime in on this thread.
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