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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2012, 08:31:43 PM »
Proto....


BMP 44/70 Brammo Power battery in the Plus

Vs

BMP 15/90 in the Empulse....

I figure you could give some insight...

Looks like 6 of the 15/90s in the Empulse..

G


Edit...actually the Plus comes with 2  of the 44/70...so 88 at 70...

The Empulse looks to have 8 of the 15/90...so 120 at 90....if 6, would be 90 at 90 (similar range to the Plus, but faster)
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 09:57:12 PM by Gavin »

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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2012, 08:42:12 PM »
, but I kinda miss the gold...

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Agreed.  I thought that was a nice element that made sure it wasn't mistaken for a gasser
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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2012, 09:13:22 PM »
Sweet video... from the teaser images it looks like we are getting much more than just a transmission and more power, it almost seems like its a new model entirely. The batteries appear to be in a staggered configuration now too. The frame sliders are a nice touch as well! Very cool, but certainly indicates a higher price tag... i hope its not near 20k like richard is suggesting, that would NOT go over well with my better half... Brammo will need to produce a lower capacity, less costly version to keep 6.0 and 8.0 pre order customers. 13k would be a nice slot to fill beyond the Enertia Plus, and I think most could make the stretch from 6.0 and 8.0 pricing for a more advanced Empulse. Another option would be to give us early pre-order customers a decent price cut;), that would greatly help conversion numbers from pre-order to real sales... Get your most enthusiastic supports on Brammos, and we will sell the rest for you!
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 09:14:53 PM by EmpulseBuyer »

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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2012, 11:23:14 PM »
Wow. This is what we were all (or I was!) hoping for last week. It's a day late.. I move to forgive Brammo for delay : P

Combing through video.. wow, lots of neat things. Will update shortly.
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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2012, 11:29:46 PM »
I am really hoping that it hasn't gotten more expensive also. Granted its an advanced machine with great appeal and the IET justifies some increase but since the prices were first suggested batteries have gotten cheaper and such niceties as frame sliders wouldn't justify several thousand dollars. For me a tag of 20,000 would effectively double the price given the state of rebates these days and would end my dreams of ownership. At 20K you have to consider that a top of the line CBR600RR is $8500 cheaper. My guess is that 20K will quarter their sales if not worse. Lets hope they can keep it below 15K.

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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2012, 12:12:03 AM »
I saw a shifting Empulse on a dyno!!!

Can we beg Brammo to give us this as a separate video?!?!?

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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2012, 12:24:13 AM »
I saw a shifting Empulse on a dyno!!!

Can we beg Brammo to give us this as a separate video?!?!?


I absolutely agree.  I replayed this section at least a dozen times.    :o

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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2012, 12:27:48 AM »
Just saw the email :D
first things first...
YAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!
FINALLY!!!!!
Secondly, so when does production start?
and does this mean, I'll get it in august or even as late as september?

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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2012, 12:46:13 AM »
Well all my bitchin' paid off!  ;D

Thank you Brammo for giving us not only a taste, but a luvin spoonful. Great video!

I say we get 'em starting in in July.

Price is another question, but we're good at holding our collective breath!

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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2012, 01:20:33 AM »
Dumped some snapshots from the video on Google+.



0:29 Empulse prototype on dyno. You can see the Empulse concept battery modules and the Enertia top fairing. IET clutch is present and accounted for.



1:04, motor coupling to transmission. The transmission outer casing surrounds much of the motor, but it's still worth looking at how large the transmission is compared to the motor. IET should substantially improve performance over the direct-drive motor. How does it compare to a direct-drive motor sized as large as the Empulse motor + IET combination? Moot point for now.



1:25 shot inside what is clearly the 2011 Empulse RR battery pack. The pack is split into two modules, each module consists of six "slices", each slice is a set of 28 cells organized into a 4x7 block. 2 * 6 * 28 = 336 cells, at 3.7v 10 Ah each this gives us 12.4 kWh.

Assuming Brammo is using these same capacity cells for the Enertia Plus, then I was wrong about the basic cell. A 10 Ah cell means the BPM 44/70 module is actually a set of 7 cells in parallel and 12 sets of cells in series, 12s7p = 84 cells in the module. Two modules gives us 168 cells (24s7p = 24 series 7 parallel), which is indeed exactly half the number used in the Empulse RR race bike.



1:28 BPM 15/90 module. Using the same naming convention as the BPM 44/70 module, this makes this a 15 V 90 Ah module (1.33 kWh). 36 cells in a 4s9p configuration.



2:11 Side shot of the modules arranged on the Empulse. Differing from the Empulse concept and like the Enertia Classic and the Enertia Plus, the Empulse modules are arranged on the upper and lower sides of a battery rack "spine". The modules are staggered, with six modules visible (four upper two lower).

Now the question is.. how many modules and what configurations will the bike ship with?

* 5 modules would give 74 V 90 Ah, 6.7 kWh.
* 6 modules would give 88.8 V 90 Ah, 8.0 kWh. Same voltage as the Enertia Plus, same pack capacity as the Zero ZF9.
* 7 modules would give 104 V 90 Ah, 9.3 kWh. Exactly 50% more capacity than Enertia Plus, and 3/4 capacity of Empulse RR. Same capacity as an earlier guess, but I was wrong about the common cell capacity (10 Ah instead of 35 Ah).
* 8 modules would give 118 V 90 Ah, 10.7 kWh. Same capacity as an earlier guess, but different configuration.
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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2012, 07:17:26 AM »
 ;D

Good News!!

Special treatment for pre-orderers too......somebody knows what they are doing!

I will now allow myself a little excitement and anticipation.

Will I have my bike in Europe by the end of the year? Who knows, but this sort of email keeps me hanging around, that's for sure.
Not long now

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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2012, 10:36:18 AM »
I noticed that the Empulse has a manual clutch lever in the usual position and the rider was using it when shifting between gears.

That won't fly with the old-time Harley and Indian riders, who prefer a "suicide" foot clutch and a hand-operated gear lever sticking up by the tank.   ;D
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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2012, 02:24:17 PM »
I noticed that the Empulse has a manual clutch lever in the usual position and the rider was using it when shifting between gears.

That won't fly with the old-time Harley and Indian riders, who prefer a "suicide" foot clutch and a hand-operated gear lever sticking up by the tank.   ;D

Better yet, notice the guy running the empulse didn't let go the throttle at all. That looked to be WOT and shifting.  ;D

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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2012, 03:15:01 PM »


placement and angle of new batteries vs old isn't really much different...both seem to attach to angled mid frame (like the Enertia)...Frame looks the same (except added slider)

But the body molding sure looks different...more flair...

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Re: Email time....4/9/2012---EMPULSE NEWS
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2012, 03:18:12 PM »
mmmm, "Empulse on a Dyno, I know, I know it's serious..."

sung to the tune of Girlfriend in a Coma...not sure why that song popped into my head...

but I would love to see the dyno info on the Empulse...maybe shortly after the 8th?

Gavin