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Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« on: May 16, 2012, 05:16:21 PM »
For those who dont follow me on Twitter... :(
I have just updated my TCO calculator and PV Calculator apps... :)
Check em out:

TCO: http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php

PV: http://www.empulsebuyer.com/pvCalculator.php

Let me know what you think! You can also share TCO charts like this one:
http://bit.ly/KzoZ62

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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2012, 06:44:51 PM »
Empulse TCO now completely blows compared to the SV650.   :(

So I checked the Enertia Plus.  I saw this listed:

Brammo Rebate:  -$2500.00

Looks like an error in the calculator.  Either that or there is a rebate I don't know about???

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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2012, 07:00:08 PM »
Oh, thats the Brammo Loyalty rebate... if you owned an Enertia, you are eligible for the 2500 rebate... though Brammo has not mentioned it lately.

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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2012, 07:44:57 PM »
In Virginia:

Empulse R v. Kawasaki Ninja 250R
http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php?sTR=3&fTR=0&sTI=NA&eID=2&kWhC=0.11&eRng=121&bR=0&iceID=7&msrp=4199&gC=4.05&mpg=61&oCC=40&oCI=7500&sC=550&sI=15000

TCO Break-Even Point: 153,762 miles  :'(

Empulse R v. Yamaha FZ6R (2012)
http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php?sTR=3&fTR=0&sTI=NA&eID=2&kWhC=0.11&eRng=121&bR=0&iceID=12&msrp=7590&gC=4.05&mpg=43&oCC=40&oCI=7500&sC=550&sI=15000

TCO Break-Even Point: 92,566 miles  :'(

Empulse R v. HD Sportster Iron 883 (2012)
http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php?sTR=3&fTR=0&sTI=NA&eID=2&kWhC=0.11&eRng=121&bR=0&iceID=4&msrp=7999&gC=4.05&mpg=51&oCC=40&oCI=5000&sC=600&sI=10000

TCO Break-Even Point: 81,994 miles  :o (didn't expect HD to do so well).

Empulse R v. Suzuki GSXR600 (2011)
http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php?sTR=3&fTR=0&sTI=NA&eID=2&kWhC=0.11&eRng=121&bR=0&iceID=9&msrp=11599&gC=4.05&mpg=44&oCC=40&oCI=7500&sC=550&sI=15000

TCO Break-Even Point: 61,058 miles  :-\

Empulse R v. Honda 600RR (2011)
http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php?sTR=3&fTR=0&sTI=NA&eID=2&kWhC=0.11&eRng=121&bR=0&iceID=5&msrp=11199&gC=4.05&mpg=36&oCC=40&oCI=8000&sC=550&sI=16000

TCO Break-Even Point: 56,313 miles  :(

Empulse R v. Triumph Speed Triple (2012)
http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php?sTR=3&fTR=0&sTI=NA&eID=2&kWhC=0.11&eRng=121&bR=0&iceID=11&msrp=11999&gC=4.05&mpg=42&oCC=40&oCI=6000&sC=650&sI=12000

TCO Break-Even Point: 48,695 miles  :)

Empulse R v. Ducati Streetfighter 848
http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php?sTR=3&fTR=0&sTI=NA&eID=2&kWhC=0.11&eRng=121&bR=0&iceID=3&msrp=12995&gC=4.05&mpg=44&oCC=40&oCI=5000&sC=800&sI=7500

TCO Break-Even Point: 31,302 miles  8)

The Enertia Plus did MUCH better even without the loyalty rebate (i.e. TCO Break-Even Point: 22,302 miles against the HD). It wouldn't make safe highway speeds, but maybe the photo below is the way to go...  ;)


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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2012, 07:49:09 PM »
Oh, and thanks, Empulsebuyer! The calculator is really cool!

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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2012, 10:46:26 PM »
Glad you had fun with it! Yeah, its a little harder to gain the TCO advantage with the higher MSRP and the federal rebate missing now... just have to ride EVERYWHERE and rack up miles. The cool thing is that there is always a break even point where the Empulse / E-moto comes out on top, just a bit higher miles now. It will be interesting to see if electric motors outlive ICE counterparts... I think at 50k most ICE motorcycles are shot and need at least a rebuild, especially the sportier variety. Battery life at 1500 cycles to 80% capacity are a non-issue IMO. I have heard some wild claims about the longevity of electric motors, but have not seen or heard of any real world use examples.

That Enertia/RR mashup doesnt look half bad! Nice!
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 10:50:29 PM by EmpulseBuyer »

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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 07:16:06 AM »
An Enertia Plus with a fairing probably would do 70 mph. Though I still probably wouldn't use it much on the highway.

I'm planning to find out how accurate the wild claims of EV reliability are. Will update every few thousand miles (breaking 2k today .. still a ways to catch up to Gavin!).
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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012, 08:15:44 AM »
I will probably adjust the TCO calculator for CO numbers... instead of calculating the tax break based on the current comparison, I will have it output the actual tax break according to this form: http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/Revenue/REVX/1193047059436
Depending on the ICE used in the comparison the Empulse tax break usually comes up wrong... (<$6k) should be 6k, though I cannot confirm that until Brammo gives CO a comp to price the tax break on. I would imagine it would be the Ducati Monster 696 at $8795, which actually has similar specs.

2012
Empulse: 16995 - 8795 = 8200 * .75 = 6150 (Cap reached at 6000) = Tax Break 6000
Empulse R: 18995 - 8795 = 10200 * .75 = 7650 (Cap reached at 6000) = Tax Break 6000

2013
Empulse: 16995 - 8795 = 8200 * .65 = 5330 = Tax Break 5330
Empulse R: 18995 - 8795 = 10200 * .65 = 6630 (Cap reached at 6000) = Tax Break 6000

So when the 2013 Empulse finally arrives, the tax break will make the difference between the 2 $1330.  :-\

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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2012, 09:46:17 AM »
On the other hand, maybe $1300 isn't a bad price to get the bike six months early + the better suspension and carbon fiber plumage..
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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2012, 05:52:46 PM »
I was taking a look at the TCO Calcuator, and realized that the $19k for the Empulse R is nowhere near the actual price that I'm going to have to pay.

I presume that I would have to pay sales tax (I wonder if I could avoid paying that because I ordered the bike over the Internet...) and then there is probably going to be a delivery fee, registration fees, and who knows what else? I wouldn't be surprised if the total cost ends up being close to $21k. (Ouch.)

I'm going to try to make myself feel better about this by going into a Harley Davidson show room and seeing what kind of bike I can get for $19k, and then be happy that I'm going to get something way cooler (to my taste).

(Kind of like the guy who's hitting his head against the wall. When asked why, he replied that it felt good when he stopped. :P)
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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2012, 03:27:04 PM »
Yep.

Zero S ZF9
$14000 sticker
$400 shipping
$350 1st year insurance
$700 taxes and title
= $15450
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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2013, 12:27:30 PM »
Was there an option to compare the 2012 ZF6 and ZF9?

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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2013, 12:38:31 PM »
Sorry Frodus, those have been removed and replaced by the 2013 model Zeros. But the S/DS ZF8.5 is the same price as the old ZF9. Nothing around the price of the ZF6 though  :-\

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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2013, 12:47:24 PM »
you acted faster than the zeromc website admin - they still only show the 2012 models. But its already late januar of 2013 :|
Man, I wanna know hoch much for the chademo quickcharge option, kinda disappointing.



edit: spelling mistake.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2013, 12:55:25 PM by oml »

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Re: Use my TCO Calculator to Help You Make a Decision!
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2013, 12:54:37 PM »
Can you put em back? I wanna calc with the 2012 and the 2500 cash for carbon deal they have.

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